Question What av to take?

[Trident]

Extreme arguments on either side of the Microsoft Defender debate should be questioned. Microsoft undoubtedly made significant leaps developing their consumer security over the last 20 years, and they operate one of the largest cybersecurity networks in the world with 78+ trillion daily signals. Extremely numerous engineers work full-time to this end.

However, people always have different inclinations. Some find other solutions better for many different reasons. The leading antiviruses are largely comparable in the end. No security product is perfect, and they're all vulnerable and disagreeable in one way or another.

This sort of dispute is like the endless Nike vs Adidas, Coca Cola vs Pepsi, Samsung vs Apple, Bosch vs Miele, Mercedes vs BMW and so on.

The market offers options for everyone to choose.

No one is irrelevant, the revenues generated are different.

 

[Acadia]

Cracks me up when I hear someone slam dunking Microsoft yet keeps using Windows. If you dislike Microsoft so much you have three options: switch to Apple, Linux, or write your own Operating System.

All huge corporations make mistakes but for every mistake, Microsoft does a thousand things right. Quit looking at only the darkness and shadows, and look at the light and brightness for a change.
Acadia

 

[RansomwareRemediation]

Cracks me up when I hear someone slam dunking Microsoft yet keeps using Windows. If you dislike Microsoft so much you have three options: switch to Apple, Linux, or write your own Operating System.

All huge corporations make mistakes but for every mistake, Microsoft does a thousand things right. Quit looking at only the darkness and shadows, and look at the light and brightness for a change.
Acadia

I cannot use another system, due to compatibility of programs, games and others.
Believe me, if there was a program better than Windows, no one would use it .

 

[Trident]

Cracks me up when I hear someone slam dunking Microsoft yet keeps using Windows. If you dislike Microsoft so much you have three options: switch to Apple, Linux, or write your own Operating System.

All huge corporations make mistakes but for every mistake, Microsoft does a thousand things right. Quit looking at only the darkness and shadows, and look at the light and brightness for a change.
Acadia

4 options, there is ChromeOS Flex as well. You can’t install anything on it (unless you wanna delve into the Linux environment) but online you can do a lot anyway. Even Adobe has online versions of some applications.
Plus you’ve got the PWA and it has some built-in tools.

Overall, for daily browsing, shopping, streaming and so on, it’s got you covered. You can play online games or use a cloud gaming platform.

Plus updates are quick and quiet, no OEM bloatware, no antivirus, vulnerabilities are not too many and typically short-lived…
The release cycle is rapid with improvements being implemented on monthly bases.

It’s a win-win.

 

[Parkinsond]

Regarding the existence of third-party antivirus companies, this is not evidence that Windows needs them

3rd party office suits exist; does it mean MS office is not sufficient?

 

[Trident]

3rd party office suits exist; does it mean MS office is not sufficient?

Again, these are the options of the market. Some may decide they need no office, others may install a free one, some prefer the ribbon interface.

It’s all a matter of personal choice, you can’t fault anyone for whatever they’ve chosen.

I use free office at home on Windows, on Mac we’ve got the office built-in. Unfortunately, no VBA on neither one of them
The free office offers python automation.

 

[Parkinsond]

Unfortunately, no VBA on neither one of them

Good for your security

 

[Trident]

Good for your security

Good for my security, but not good for my time

I don’t like repeated operations and inefficiency.

For my security, simply refusing to execute VBA code from downloaded documents is fine, but my CDR (content disarm and reconstruction) removes VBA from downloaded files anyway (along with custom fonts and other attack vectors). When emulation concludes they are safe, I’ve got the option to download the original.

 

[Miravi]

For reference, Microsoft's cybersecurity division generated $37 billion in fiscal 2025. Compare that to Crowdstrike's $4 billion and Palo Alto Networks' $10 billion. Their market share in enterprise endpoint security grew to 28.6% in 2024.

It's not just an amateurish side project or the cute little antivirus that comes for free with Windows. Major enterprises depend on their services with a lot at stake.

 

[RansomwareRemediation]

For reference, Microsoft's cybersecurity division generated $37 billion in fiscal 2025. Compare that to Crowdstrike's $4 billion and Palo Alto Networks' $10 billion. Their market share in enterprise endpoint security grew to 28.6% in 2024.

It's not just an amateurish side project or the cute little antivirus that comes for free with Windows. Major enterprises depend on their services with a lot at stake.

Not all that glitters is gold. Despite having so many billions, they make mistakes as if they were a small company.
Security, marketing, business errors, etc.
No million-dollar company hits me, therefore I have no reason to defend it.

 

[Trident]

No million-dollar company hits me, therefore I have no reason to defend it

I didn’t really understand this sentence

Who hit you?

 

[SpiderWeb]

I love Bitdefender. It's not in my way.

 

[oldschool]

This sort of dispute is like the endless Nike vs Adidas, Coca Cola vs Pepsi, Samsung vs Apple, Bosch vs Miele, Mercedes vs BMW and so on.

Or like Comodo vs Comodo.

 

[lokamoka820]

3rd party office suits exist; does it mean MS office is not sufficient?

Well, it is up to you (the user) to use whatever product you want, but to say that third-party Office suite exists because MS Office is not good is not true.

 

[lokamoka820]

Or like Comodo vs Comodo.

I watched a recent comparison test between CIS and BD and the result was exactly the same, a clean system on both sides while CIS was lighter on system resources and BD crashed once and caused the system to reboot unexpectedly during the test, so it is at least better than BD.

 

[Xciting]

I recently saw a recent comparison test between CIS and BD and the result was exactly the same, clean system on both sides while CIS was lighter on the system resources and BD crashed once and caused the system to reboot unexpectedly during the test, so it is at least better than BD.

Yeah, a barely updated, free, thrown away software riddled with bugs and no real protection CIS, is better than bitdefender that is updated constantly with new fixes, and a real signature base. Bitdefender is always gonna be the best of the best, do your own test and see, quit trusting online tests from random people unless they show everything, such as shadowra tests

 

[rashmi]

I recently saw a recent comparison test between CIS and BD and the result was exactly the same, clean system on both sides while CIS was lighter on the system resources and BD crashed once and caused the system to reboot unexpectedly during the test, so it is at least better than BD.

Comodo is on a winning streak... charming its way into tests, posts, threads, AIs, minds, hearts, souls, and my friends' profiles here! I couldn't help but chuckle when I heard the catchy melody of "Comodo Comodo Comodo" playing on loop on my friend @oldschool's profile!

 

[Sorrento]

K7 is underrated. I like it too as it's light in the system. They got security suite for both software and hardware.

K7 are also spammers of the highest order, I used them for a while & received content reminders my system is at risk for two years maybe more, unsubscribing changed nothing, advertising a product is fair dinkum but spamming me not on, for that reason alone never again

 

[lokamoka820]

Yeah, a barely updated, free, thrown away software riddled with bugs and no real protection CIS, is better than bitdefender that is updated constantly with new fixes, and a real signature base. Bitdefender is always gonna be the best of the best, do your own test and see, quit trusting online tests from random people unless they show everything, such as shadowra tests

Why don't we say that COMODO is a complete product that doesn't need frequent updates, while Bitdefender, on the other hand, is riddled with bugs despite frequent updates?

It's no surprise that Bitdefender is known here on MT as BugDefender.

Note: The video I watched belongs to someone whose videos are frequently posted here on MT, and even Shadowra knows about it, he is "NB InfoTech".

 

[stonjean633]

K7 are also spammers of the highest order, I used them for a while & received content reminders my system is at risk for two years maybe more, unsubscribing changed nothing, advertising a product is fair dinkum but spamming me not on, for that reason alone never again

Oh man!
Marketing thru spamming....I hope they're not struggling financially.