By Staff What is really going on in the Comodo threads?

[ForgottenSeer 123960]

Yes, I know such a risk. However, this can depend on the staff, rules, and participants. We cannot know how this will work if we do not even try.
Otherwise, there is a risk of avoiding hot topics or recreating them after closing by the staff.


In fact, this is happening now, when threads have to be closed by the staff.
We cannot know for sure how such a subforum will work in practice if we do not try.



You propose something more restrictive than only doing it in a subforum.



Ther rules are not yet established. The creator of the thread has the same rights and obligations as others. The rules are not created by the thread creator, but by the staff. The staff decides if the rules are fulfilled and which actions should be taken.



You demand something more restrictive than HOT subforum.

It's quite simple really.

The forum's rules of conduct prohibit personal attacks and name-calling. Consistent enforcement of these guidelines would lead to more productive and civil discussion.

 

[Andy Ful]

The Court didn't work, new attempt, introduce new steps to dictatorship and censorship on MT...
Where does this insanity end?
One Comodo forum is enough.

Agree. There is no need to introduce new subforum just for Comodo.
I think that Comodo matters will not be introduced on MT for several months.

 

[Andy Ful]

It's quite simple really.

The forum's rules of conduct prohibit personal attacks and name-calling. Consistent enforcement of these guidelines would lead to more productive and civil discussion.

I understand you. However, you propose more changes than I do, which can be more complex in practice.

 

[Andy Ful]

You see, I am adding the fine touches to your idea.

AI can analyse the posts and flag posts which may need review/removal.

Potentially, upon clicking on post, the API can be queried to analyse whether the post adheres to the rules, before it even becomes visible.

But this should be the last resort when a discussion has really escalated. Not an attempt to silence the truth.

Interesting enhancement.

 

[ForgottenSeer 123960]

I understand you. However, you propose more changes than I do, which can be more complex in practice.

These are not new proposals, they are established policies. Their effectiveness is contingent upon consistent enforcement.

 

[Pico]

I think that Comodo matters will not be introduced on MT for several months.

That's not strange, almost nobody is using it.

 

[Andy Ful]

These are not new proposals, they are established policies. Their effectiveness is contingent upon consistent enforcement.

It does not work for hot topics. So, what do you propose to make it work?

 

[ForgottenSeer 123960]

It does not work for hot topics. So, what do you propose to make it work?

We cannot assess the effectiveness of this approach, as it has never been fully implemented. For example, the previous thread was allowed to devolve into personal attacks and non-constructive remarks, which ultimately derailed the discussion from its intended topic.

It's clear we're just going in circles, so I'm going to call it quits on this conversation. I'll leave you with the question of why anyone would argue against enforcing the established rules that are meant to prevent users from attacking each other and derailing productive discussions.

 

[Pico]

How many members took part in previous thread?
Install new thread rules and you will filter out all except one.

 

[Andy Ful]

We cannot assess the effectiveness of this approach, as it has never been fully implemented. For example, the previous thread was allowed to devolve into personal attacks and non-constructive remarks, which ultimately derailed the discussion from its intended topic.

That is true. This was an experimental thread only. The rules worked well for some time (some posts were deleted due to breaking the rules), until the thread was closed and reopened. After that, I only informed that some threads break the rule (2). With full rules enforced, the posts with personal attacks, non-constructive remarks, etc., would be deleted.

 

[Andy Ful]

How many members took part in previous thread?
Install new thread rules and you will filter out all except one.

Did you read my post carefully?

By Staff Post in thread 'What is really going on in the Comodo threads?'

Oct 3, 2025

The idea of a subforum for hot (troublesome) topics is as follows:

1. The topic starts in a standard thread.
2. If it becomes hot, the staff can close the thread, informing that it can be opened for further discussion in the HOT subforum.
3. The rules of the subforum are created by MT staff.
4. Users who want to participate in the HOT subforum must agree that they will follow the rules of the subforum.
5. Optionally, this subforum can be opened only for users who ask the staff for it. Users who often violate the forum rules can be suspended/removed by the staff from the subforum.

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• Andy Ful

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Those rules are only an example.

 

[mlnevese]

The problem with "containment" subforums is that the "bad" behavior often spills into the rest of the forum. This creates a poor experience and forces moderators to intervene in ways they would rather avoid, like actually stepping in to moderate a thread. Back in my moderation days, our team would have long discussions about certain rule violations in the moderator-only forum, while others had to be handled immediately, sometimes moving the discussion to a private subforum until we decided what to do. I imagine something similar happens behind the scenes here.

 

[Behold Eck]

That's not strange, almost nobody is using it.

And yet you and a couple of others here feel unable to stop harping on in the same old way to the point of shrieking hysteria, the moment Comodo is mentioned anywhere here at MT ??

If nobody is using it what is the point then ?

Regards Eck

 

[Pico]

Did you read my post carefully?

By Staff Post in thread 'What is really going on in the Comodo threads?'

Oct 3, 2025

The idea of a subforum for hot (troublesome) topics is as follows:

1. The topic starts in a standard thread.
2. If it becomes hot, the staff can close the thread, informing that it can be opened for further discussion in the HOT subforum.
3. The rules of the subforum are created by MT staff.
4. Users who want to participate in the HOT subforum must agree that they will follow the rules of the subforum.
5. Optionally, this subforum can be opened only for users who ask the staff for it. Users who often violate the forum rules can be suspended/removed by the staff from the subforum.

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• Andy Ful

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Those rules are only an example.

When a topic turns HOT than chances are that the discussion / topic will simply die because of new strict rules.

 

[ForgottenSeer 123960]

The problem with "containment" subforums is that the "bad" behavior often spills into the rest of the forum. This creates a poor experience and forces moderators to intervene in ways they would rather avoid, like actually stepping in to moderate a thread. Back in my moderation days, our team would have long discussions about certain rule violations in the moderator-only forum, while others had to be handled immediately, sometimes moving the discussion to a private subforum until we decided what to do. I imagine something similar happens behind the scenes here.

That's a great point about the difficulties moderators face. It seems to underscore that the effectiveness of the entire system hinges on enforcement. Without it, the 'spillover' effect is almost inevitable. You've described the symptoms well. This leads me to believe the root issue is one of enforcement. A rule that isn't enforced isn't really a rule, and that seems to be the source of the problem. This perfectly illustrates the gap between having rules and having a governed community. The rules exist, but if they aren't applied, they fail to shape the user experience in the intended way.

 

[Andy Ful]

When a topic turns HOT than chances are that the discussion / topic will simply die because of new strict rules.

Yes, if the rules will be too restrictive.

 

[Pico]

And yet you and a couple of others here feel unable to stop harping on in the same old way to the point of shrieking hysteria, the moment Comodo is mentioned anywhere here at MT ??

Am I that bad?

 

[Andy Ful]

That's a great point about the difficulties moderators face. It seems to underscore that the effectiveness of the entire system hinges on enforcement. Without it, the 'spillover' effect is almost inevitable. You've described the symptoms well. This leads me to believe the root issue is one of enforcement. A rule that isn't enforced isn't really a rule, and that seems to be the source of the problem. This perfectly illustrates the gap between having rules and having a governed community. The rules exist, but if they aren't applied, they fail to shape the user experience in the intended way.

Yes. But different rules are normal at the conference than in the coffeehouse. People usually do not problem with that.

 

[Behold Eck]

Am I that bad?

You`re not the worst but you`ve had your moments

Regards Eck

 

[rashmi]

It's not really Comodo fanboys/fangirls causing drama. Usually, the other side starts it. Some folks just hate Comodo and enjoy blaming its supporters. @Andy Ful's Comodo thread was doing well, then a moderator jumped in and said, "Why another Comodo thread?" It all went downhill from there; the other side started with their usual rant, and the Comodo side responded.

Comodo threads are just like any other security solution’s threads here. The curse of Comodo threads is gone, so everything should be fine now.

"When talking about the supreme security solution on the planet... it's no wonder Comodo discussions can turn into a heated debate!"