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<blockquote data-quote="avstor" data-source="post: 888005" data-attributes="member: 87871"><p>I never said [USER=36043]@harlan4096[/USER] was killing the discussion. I know [USER=36043]@harlan4096[/USER] and while he is a moderator here, he is also a person that spends the time to read and consider the points being made - if he is interested. He's just doing his job as a staff member. I get that.</p><p></p><p>[USER=72227]@Raiden[/USER] made a post involving a lot of the subject matter being discussed. He's the one that introduced the discussion to this thread, and all I did was respond, yet somehow I'm being called disruptive, off-topic and needing to move "my discussion" to another thread.</p><p></p><p>Go back and follow the discussion and the logic behind the replies.</p><p></p><p>If a member brings up a sub-topic within a thread, then it is ridiculous for another member not to be able to fork the discussion. The sub-discussion shall run its course, and then fade out. It does not harm nor detriment to the original thread.</p><p></p><p>The notion that branched discussions should not be permitted is as ridiculous as the "formatting" rules here where a member can be warned and banned for using all capital letters or some vague, nebulous rule about formatting content.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Listen, please don't insult my intelligence. The "off topic" rule has been used many times on this forum to kill or terminate discussions. The other tactic is just to lock a thread. Rules are applied willy-nilly with no respect for any participants other than those that advance the hive agenda and its tribalism. Treating participants like children instead of adults that are within their rights to forcefully be argumentative just shows the overall attitude here. Catering to sensitive emotional people demeans and degrades the very reason that forums exist - which is to foster open debate - no matter how much it upsets people.</p><p></p><p>There is a rather large amount of tribalism here with the sole agenda to run people off the forum. Upset a few key members, and then you are targeted. It's a long-standing problem at this place.</p><p></p><p>I don't think you are intending to be rude or argumentative, but advancing the notion that the rules are serving the community as a whole (and the voice of the many should prevail over the voice of the few) is the very basis that those rules are used to silence people. You upset a couple influential members without even breaking a single forum rule, or enough people use the report button, and you get warning points. It's just a matter of time before they ban you. That attitude and tactic is used across the web daily.</p><p></p><p>The minority voice and perspective is absolutely the most important voice on any public exchange or platform. Tribalism is just mob mentality where the mob imposes its will upon the minority and then oppresses them via various methods. Happens every day across the web. The very basis of this are rules that are twisted and applied to silence dissent.</p><p></p><p>Mine and others' posts in this thread are not going to mess up anybody's search for WD infos. The fact of the matter is that the infos discussed here have already been discussed ad nauseum in countless threads. Nobody searches forums for infos. If they did, it would return literally hundreds of WD threads here containing not a single post by me nor the very important discussion at hand.</p><p></p><p>Censorship is censorship. The subject of forum and internet rules is a serious subject. There is a rising voice across the internet about the plague of using various rules and "curated content" to silence people - for whatever reason.</p><p></p><p>You yourself know many people have been banned here for only a single reason - not that they broke any forum rules. Their only "sin" was that they upset some people. I don't know about the rest of you, which most of you seem OK with this. But that is really messed up. Like I keep saying, it might be legal but it is both morally and ethically wrong. It is a black and white issue and no one, no amount of hive mentality, no tribalism, there is no argument or justification that can topple this truth.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="avstor, post: 888005, member: 87871"] I never said [USER=36043]@harlan4096[/USER] was killing the discussion. I know [USER=36043]@harlan4096[/USER] and while he is a moderator here, he is also a person that spends the time to read and consider the points being made - if he is interested. He's just doing his job as a staff member. I get that. [USER=72227]@Raiden[/USER] made a post involving a lot of the subject matter being discussed. He's the one that introduced the discussion to this thread, and all I did was respond, yet somehow I'm being called disruptive, off-topic and needing to move "my discussion" to another thread. Go back and follow the discussion and the logic behind the replies. If a member brings up a sub-topic within a thread, then it is ridiculous for another member not to be able to fork the discussion. The sub-discussion shall run its course, and then fade out. It does not harm nor detriment to the original thread. The notion that branched discussions should not be permitted is as ridiculous as the "formatting" rules here where a member can be warned and banned for using all capital letters or some vague, nebulous rule about formatting content. Listen, please don't insult my intelligence. The "off topic" rule has been used many times on this forum to kill or terminate discussions. The other tactic is just to lock a thread. Rules are applied willy-nilly with no respect for any participants other than those that advance the hive agenda and its tribalism. Treating participants like children instead of adults that are within their rights to forcefully be argumentative just shows the overall attitude here. Catering to sensitive emotional people demeans and degrades the very reason that forums exist - which is to foster open debate - no matter how much it upsets people. There is a rather large amount of tribalism here with the sole agenda to run people off the forum. Upset a few key members, and then you are targeted. It's a long-standing problem at this place. I don't think you are intending to be rude or argumentative, but advancing the notion that the rules are serving the community as a whole (and the voice of the many should prevail over the voice of the few) is the very basis that those rules are used to silence people. You upset a couple influential members without even breaking a single forum rule, or enough people use the report button, and you get warning points. It's just a matter of time before they ban you. That attitude and tactic is used across the web daily. The minority voice and perspective is absolutely the most important voice on any public exchange or platform. Tribalism is just mob mentality where the mob imposes its will upon the minority and then oppresses them via various methods. Happens every day across the web. The very basis of this are rules that are twisted and applied to silence dissent. Mine and others' posts in this thread are not going to mess up anybody's search for WD infos. The fact of the matter is that the infos discussed here have already been discussed ad nauseum in countless threads. Nobody searches forums for infos. If they did, it would return literally hundreds of WD threads here containing not a single post by me nor the very important discussion at hand. Censorship is censorship. The subject of forum and internet rules is a serious subject. There is a rising voice across the internet about the plague of using various rules and "curated content" to silence people - for whatever reason. You yourself know many people have been banned here for only a single reason - not that they broke any forum rules. Their only "sin" was that they upset some people. I don't know about the rest of you, which most of you seem OK with this. But that is really messed up. Like I keep saying, it might be legal but it is both morally and ethically wrong. It is a black and white issue and no one, no amount of hive mentality, no tribalism, there is no argument or justification that can topple this truth. [/QUOTE]
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