Windows 10 Violates French Law

[hjlbx]

The French National Data Protection Commission (CNIL) conducted 7 tests and concluded Windows 10:

• Collects excessive user data
• Forced telemetry is the default instead of an opt-in
  
• Does not adequately protect user data
• Tracks, logs and transmits user activity to Microsoft
  
• Activates user advertising ID by default
• Installs cookies without user permission

Three months to comply or pay fines in excess of $1.66 million (U.S.)

French National Data Protection Commission (CNIL)

 

[Noxx]

I'm sure M$ and their billions of dollars are shaking in their boots over that potential $1.66 million dollar fine.

 

[hjlbx]

Over the years M$ has paid in excess of $4 billion (U.S.) to various EU governmental agencies alone.

 

[Noxx]

LOL, well there you have it! This is like dropping a dime in the park, then.

 

[NullByte]

And a lot of people from here say that windows 10 doesn't spy. ha ha ha ha.

 

[DardiM]

Thanks for sharing Vive la France !
(When France receives payment for this sort of fines, it would be cool if the money could be divided between all French penguins )

 

[_CyberGhosT_]

Ok, but does anyone know if that is going to be applied on some kind of recurring schedule
until MS complies ?
If it is, that could add up over time.

 

[DardiM]

Ok, but does anyone know if that is going to be applied on some kind of recurring schedule
until MS complies ?
If it is, that could add up over time.

MS has to complain before Sept,30. After => fine.
It seems that the $1.66 million (U.S.) max fine is only for the PIN issue. Lesser fines for others measures would be added. (I understood the New this way).
And other European countries could follow France, and ask for a fines too

 

[_CyberGhosT_]

Cool, Thanks DaridiM for that clarification

 

[DardiM]

Cool, Thanks DaridiM for that clarification

You're welcome

(I'm not sure but that is what I have understood, may be wrong )

 

[_CyberGhosT_]

You're welcome

(I'm not sure but that is what I have understood, may be wrong )

Don't you know ?
Bat-Pinguins are never wrong

 

[hjlbx]

The issue is not that Microsoft collects W10 user data; the issue is that it is default and not opt-in. Furthermore, all the forced telemetry cannot be disabled; some of it can be disabled - but not all of it.

The greater problem with collected user data is that M$ will comply with any and all governmental agency requests to which it must comply under current law(s) - both foreign and domestic.

M$ is not gonna protect user data if it is legally compelled to release it.

That's the real problem...

If you're doing "stuff" or "dirt" online then you should be using Linux Tails, Puppy Linux or something similar on a verified clean drive - instead of any version of Windows...

It is your user data and you should be able to have complete control of it - but that is not the reality of today's computing.

 

[_CyberGhosT_]

@hjlbx
Point well made, well articulated.
I work hard to stifle what MS does through telemetry but your right there is no 100% off
the best you can do is plug some of the leaks in the dam.
PeAcE

 

[Logethica]

It's a shame that imprisonment is not the punishment instead of a fine...
It is both immoral and corrupt that large Companies are treated differently than individuals when their crime is the same and on a much larger scale..
It doesn't help matters when weak minded /apathetic people roll over and allow it to happen so easily...
The issue is not whether an unethical system can be beaten, but instead whether an individual has enough respect for lives lost fighting for Civil Liberties that they (at the very least) show resistance to them being eroded!

 

[hjlbx]

It's a shame that imprisonment is not the punishment instead of a fine...
It is both immoral and corrupt that large Companies are treated differently than individuals when their crime is the same and on a much larger scale..
It doesn't help matters when weak minded /apathetic people roll over and allow it to happen so easily...
The issue is not whether an unethical system can be beaten, but instead whether an individual has enough respect for lives lost fighting for Civil Liberties that they (at the very least) show resistance to them being eroded!

In the U.S. corporations can be indicted. If that happens, then the company will dissolve.

Anyone remember Enron - it was indicted and immediately imploded.

No corporation will survive a criminal indictment - at least not in the U.S.

Not saying that M$ should be indicted, but it deserves to be blasted for all of its W10 buggery...

 

[Logethica]

In the U.S. corporations can be indicted. If that happens, then the company will dissolve.

Anyone remember Enron - it was indicted and immediately imploded.

No corporation will survive a criminal indictment - at least not in the U.S.

Not saying that M$ should be indicted, but it deserves to be blasted for all of its W10 buggery...

It is said that "With great power comes great responsibility" but if a Company's great irresponsibility doesn't result in the removal of their great power ,then it shows that very little progress has been made in the past 5000 years.

 

[Deleted member 178]

I'm sure M$ and their billions of dollars are shaking in their boots over that potential $1.66 million dollar fine.

indeed, this is a shy fine...it just for the form.

In France, we are quite strict about privacy, websites have to warn you that they use cookies and you have to accept or deny the site to use them.

 

[ravi prakash saini]

How can they fine a product which is free at least UpTo 29 July.I mean if somebody is giving me something free of cost with Eula (in smallest font) and I am accepting that offer then how can that person be fined.

 

[DJ Panda]

It was the cunsomers choice from the beginning as long as your careful with what you are doing you won't end up installing Windows 10 purposely. Some people I know kept all there computers from upgrading while still keeping up to date.

 

[Deleted member 178]

if i was MS i would block France's Win10 licenses and access to Windows' servers and updates; then let see who will surrender first.