App Review Windows Defender Review - Default Protection good enough?

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It is advised to take all reviews with a grain of salt. In extreme cases some reviews use dramatization for entertainment purposes.
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So it is probably fair to say that this is more of a 'real test' than the average security hobbyist could ever produce. Correct?
Yes and No, what is a real test?
to me , it is :

1- Take several average users
2- teach them the basis of how works the native security as you would give the driving license learning book to wannabe drivers
3- let them surf as they do at home.
4- sometimes send them some phishy emails with malicious links/samples.
5- observe the behaviors of the users and how respond the software. this is the most important point.

Security softwares always reacts after the user behavior.

That is real world test and no labs could ever produce it because it is lot of time and wasted resources. What youtesters/labs does is an extrapolation of this test , so it is inherently inaccurate by design. Average users won't encounter hundreds of samples in their life , and surely not 5 in less than 10mn...

Some labs are using methodolgies that seems more professional and neutral than others, on the test i provided you; if you read carefully, engineers evaluate the legitimacy of the samples used and adapt this volatility into the test.

But remember this test (as all tests) were made in an specific point in time. So just take it as information not as a forever rule because as you know things are always evolving.
I find funny some people bashing products by pointing tests months/years old...
 
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Not for Windows' native security , because it would be difficult to find a malware that bypass it on its own.

if i would make a basic guideline, it would be:

3- click "no" to every Smartscreen & UAC prompts

UAC has three color warnings, whether all the color block, or just some?
How to install this apps if a UAC as in the picture?

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Yes and No, what is a real test?
to me , it is :

1- Take several average users
2- teach them the basis of how works the native security as you would give the driving license learning book to wannabe drivers
3- let them surf as they do at home.
4- sometimes send them some phishy emails with malicious links/samples.
5- observe the behaviors of the users and how respond the software. this is the most important point.

Security softwares always reacts after the user behavior.

That is real world test and no labs could ever produce it because it is lot of time and wasted resources. What youtesters/labs does is an extrapolation of this test , so it is inherently inaccurate by design. Average users won't encounter hundreds of samples in their life , and surely not 5 in less than 10mn...

Some labs are using methodolgies that seems more professional and neutral than others, on the test i provided you; if you read carefully, engineers evaluate the legitimacy of the samples used and adapt this volatility into the test.

But remember this test (as all tests) were made in an specific point in time. So just take it as information not as a forever rule because as you know things are always evolving.
I find funny some people bashing products by pointing tests months/years old...

Your post is absolute gold! I hope it doesn't get lost in this thread or the content goes right over people's heads and they totally miss your point.
 
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UAC has three color warnings, whether all the color block, or just some?
How to install this apps if a UAC as in the picture?

all three seems signed executables (doesn't mean they are safe , just signed) so UAC advise to allow the elevation if you were the initiator of the execution (UAC is just an elevation blocker, not an anti-malware).
If you are not the initiator of the execution, deny the elevation.

UAC colors code :

- blue signed
- orange : unsigned
- red: blocked by admin

UAC Processes and Interactions

shouldn't be much different on Win10
 
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Your post is absolute gold! I hope it doesn't get lost in this thread or the content goes right over people's heads and they totally miss your point.

i will create a thread so people like you will find it. thx ;)
 
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL flawed videos as usual ... you clicked yes on UAC with every unknown files then " oh i got Cerber !!!," come on gimme a break.... pff....youtesters....same crap over and over...
i stopped watching.

oh by the way, how those malware sample comes from ? downloaded from internet on the testing system? because if not, smartscreen won't detect them.

Smartscreen detect only files downloaded in the current system because they will have the current system 's tag "mark of the web" If coming from another system , they won't.

you can replicate this by downloading the file by the VM-ed browser and the same file on the real system. Then disable internet (blocking Smartscreen reputation check) , and run each of them separately on the VM.
result: the exe downloaded from the real system and imported in the VM won't be blocked.

My conclusion: you want compare fairly WD ? compare it with just the scanner module of other products , not with the HIPS/BB/webfilters enabled. and most of all, learn the basic of security.

only amateur...




WD and all native security was made to give to the average user basic protection without any hassle and incompatibilities. Not to backup idiots happy clickers.



this videos is exactly the essence BS of youtesters. They do in videos what they will never do on their system...and don't even understand security.

serious and skilled IT don't care of youtesters, they have their skills.



Happy clickers are lost cause, because they don't even try to use their brain when it comes to computer...ask your mother if she would drink from an opened bottle some strangers gave her , surely not...

If you mother is an happy clicker and can't follow 3 safe habits , then you should enforce SUA or guest account with passworded UAC, disable elevation of unsigned files , etc... then put a system-wide virtualization software like Shadow Defender or an some Software Restriction Policy because even with the best security soft she will manage to be infected somedays.
@Umbra Maybe it's not suppose to be fair. Microsoft has to deal with basically every security company out to get them while still trying to provide users the most security as is usable.
 
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@Umbra Maybe it's not suppose to be fair. Microsoft has to deal with basically every security company out to get them while still trying to provide users the most security as is usable.
Those Vendors should be glad that MS just don't lock them out Windows. After all MS allow them to live and get incomes :p
 

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As would a lot of other security enthusiasts/testers - including myself. We would all have to find a different hobby/profession! ;)
 
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all three seems signed executables (doesn't mean they are safe , just signed) so UAC advise to allow the elevation if you were the initiator of the execution (UAC is just an elevation blocker, not an anti-malware).
If you are not the initiator of the execution, deny the elevation.

UAC colors code :

- blue signed
- orange : unsigned
- red: blocked by admin

UAC Processes and Interactions

shouldn't be much different on Windows 10

This means that your rule "click NO to every SmartScreen & UAC prompts" is not exactly the most accurate?

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This means that your rule "click NO to every SmartScreen & UAC prompts" is not exactly the most accurate?

you do the same mistake as many people, you take on line out of context , read carefully all the sentences.

"If you are not the initiator of the execution, deny the elevation."

You got it now? ;)
 
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