Question Windows Security Firewall Providers

Please provide comments and solutions that are helpful to the author of this topic.
Status
Not open for further replies.

n8chavez

Level 25
Thread author
Well-known
Feb 26, 2021
1,462
2
4,030
2,368
43
Is there a list of list of firewalls windows security recognizes. I'm starting to lean away from Windows' own firewall, as there aren't really any good third party adaptations for it. But my problem has been that Windows keeps screaming at me that the firewall if turned off. Are there any that is can recognize that are not its own?
 
Is there a list of list of firewalls windows security recognizes. I'm starting to lean away from Windows' own firewall, as there aren't really any good third party adaptations for it. But my problem has been that Windows keeps screaming at me that the firewall if turned off. Are there any that is can recognize that are not its own?
Firewall of Avast, AVG, and SEP.
 
  • Like
Reactions: rashmi and Trident
I'm looking at WFP firewalls; like Simplewall or Netlimiter. But Security always tells me I need to have Windows' firewall enabled. And that defeats the purpose.
 
WFC is a great front end for Windows Firewall and is very effective. There are third party FWs but ZoneAlarm is only really best with the full security suite and Comodo while effective is controversial with many but there are others like Glasswire (Paid For Version) but some packages just use Windows Firewall or include some protection of windows firewall. I'm sure if you further detail what your specifically looking for, others may have more suggestions.
 
Windows Firewall is not so bad, keep in mind that majority of the firewall tasks nowadays are handled by the router. The software routers on devices, are just to block internal threats, which also doesn’t commence if the network is set to “home” type.
In this case there is no filtering applied between devices.

Of course, programmes are controlled, but with good security software (and being picky what’s being downloaded/installed), users will not be running suspicious and malicious apps — so blocking/allowing traffic is a waste of time. Furthermore, rules “per app”, “per protocol” are not as effective as IPS or secure DNS.

Users can argue that LOLBins can be abused. They can, but the abuse doesn’t come magically “from the sky”, malicious code needs to be ran.

To improve security, I suggest the following checklist is covered:

1. Try to deploy IPS, ideally on a router level. For example Asus with Merlin firmware supports deployment of Suricata IDS. Some routers have built-in IPS. @Divergent can provide more information how Suricata can be deployed on a router level.

2. Deploy secure DNS, particularly one that blocks very new websites. NextDNS and Control D are perfect.

3. Ensure devices have proper botnet/system-wide malicious connections protection — Microsoft buit-in tools do not provide this security. However, the secure DNS will partially help in this direction. But it won’t help when the system tries to connect directly to IP addresses, not to domains.
 
Windows Firewall is not so bad, keep in mind that majority of the firewall tasks nowadays are handled by the router. The software routers on devices, are just to block internal threats, which also doesn’t commence if the network is set to “home” type.
In this case there is no filtering applied between devices.

Of course, programmes are controlled, but with good security software (and being picky what’s being downloaded/installed), users will not be running suspicious and malicious apps — so blocking/allowing traffic is a waste of time. Furthermore, rules “per app”, “per protocol” are not as effective as IPS or secure DNS.

Users can argue that LOLBins can be abused. They can, but the abuse doesn’t come magically “from the sky”, malicious code needs to be ran.

To improve security, I suggest the following checklist is covered:

1. Try to deploy IPS, ideally on a router level. For example Asus with Merlin firmware supports deployment of Suricata IDS. Some routers have built-in IPS. @Divergent can provide more information how Suricata can be deployed on a router level.

2. Deploy secure DNS, particularly one that blocks very new websites. NextDNS and Control D are perfect.

3. Ensure devices have proper botnet/system-wide malicious connections protection — Microsoft buit-in tools do not provide this security. However, the secure DNS will partially help in this direction. But it won’t help when the system tries to connect directly to IP addresses, not to domains.
Very well said with the router doing Firewall work for the home users.
Nowadays our 1st line of Defense is the router.

For the Enterprise users, UTM Appliance ( unified threat management that includes AV,IDS,IPS,Spam Filter,Firewall etc etc) plays a big part as most security solution is embedded at the network gateway. Just needs to activate by a license.
 
Thanks for all of this. But I really was just looking for anything else Windows Security recognizes. It seems there are not many, or any for home users. That's sad. I miss the days of of stand-alone firewalls; Kerio, Outpost, LnS, etc. Oh well. It looks like I'll have to keep Window' firewall active even if I want to use something WFP-based, which kind of defeats the purpose.
 
From a developer point of view, Microsoft provides a platform for stable and secure traffic interception/filtering. Why would I go about developing kernel drivers and rules, when I can just perform system calls to a ready made API?

That’s the reason there aren’t many standalone firewalls nowadays and in the future, even more will disappear.

The Gen Digital products for now all have their own firewall, also most of the business products include firewall to allow MSPs remote traffic control (not for something else). Previously, Norton firewall was WFP-based and just blocked users abilities to manage Windows Firewall, providing management through its UI. I am not sure how the Avast firewall behaves.

Even the business firewalls, ofen step on the WFP.
A lot of security providers nowadays work in tandem with OS features and no longer try to reinvent the wheel, because they compete in other ways.
 
So this is just another example of Microsoft dis-incentivizing competition? Didn't they get sued for that multiple times, with IE, Media Player, etc.? Fun.
 
So this is just another example of Microsoft dis-incentivizing competition? Didn't they get sued for that multiple times, with IE, Media Player, etc.? Fun.
I wouldn’t say they are hurting the competition. Microsoft provides the platform and APIs. Developers decide whether or not they wanna use it.

Now they are working actively with developers (Trend Micro and many others are involved) to completely kick out AVs of kernel space, which Apple did long time ago.

That’s just the natural evolution of software.
 
There are third party FWs but ZoneAlarm is only really best with the full security suite and Comodo while effective is controversial with many but there are others like Glasswire (Paid For Version) but some packages just use Windows Firewall
Glasswire is a front end for Windows Firewall.
 
It looks like I'll have to keep Window' firewall active even if I want to use something WFP-based, which kind of defeats the purpose.
It's not a big deal to leave both enabled. WF isn't eating resources. TinyWall functioned fine with it enabled.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.