Hardware Apple Announces iPhone 16E Starting at $599

bazang

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new androids from 2021 are getting 4 to 7 years of updates and monthly security updates. just look at samsung series A phones . this was for the past, now there are much less benefit in apple ecosystems
Anything less than 10 years of OS updates is a rip-off. Lose or damage the phone? The homeowner's insurance pays for it. And with iPhones the trade-in values are generous compared to Android. If I wanted the 16e, I would pay only 275 Euros for it and get 2 years of mobile service for only 199 Euros.

Android is a cesspool because Google cannot get the Android app ecosystem under control. The OEM phone manufacturers have never really cooperated with Google on security except for a few. Instead, the OEMs have focused on pure profit - new model, new 1,100 Euro price or higher. Just keep manufacturing new models. Don't worry about security. Android phones account for 80+% of mobile hacks.

Over the long term, Apple still offers overall better value than Android. It comes down to Euros and what you get for what you pay.

Want low-cost, cheap then Android is the answer. But not a 600+ Euro Android. That's a waste of money unless you have money to waste and just don't care.

Well I don't care enough that's why I use a Chinese device
but you should know the attack surface of phones is insane just ask Hezbollah how easily idf hacked their iphones
But generally it's mainly ATP threats that will bypass the layers of security of a phone and not some random Nigerian prince
So to protect against a Nigerian prince even an Android will be enough to sandbox an attacker so everything he can do is pretty much only pishing
One can always buy the $1,999 Purism Liberty Linux phone.


Good luck with that.
 
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Also lets not forget the battery life on this is amazing due to it's new modem chip it's almost as good as my iphone 16 pro. I cant wait till the iphone 17 pro comes out and that chip is added it will very much extend that battery life.
 

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Also lets not forget the battery life on this is amazing due to it's new modem chip it's almost as good as my iphone 16 pro. I cant wait till the iphone 17 pro comes out and that chip is added it will very much extend that battery life.

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but what you're saying is true about the SOCs. I just the new Samsung s25 Ultra, and with the new Qualcomm chip, along with AI, I get better battery life on it than I did on my s23 ultra with the same size battery! There are days where, when I'm ready to go to bed, my phone has 50% battery left. It's truly amazing. The chip can very much make a difference.
 

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Android hardware is OK, but the OS and apps are not. Limited period of security updates makes Android a bad deal. I have an iPhone 6 that is 10+ years old and still it receives security updates from Apple.
What's wrong with the OS? Android is more intuitive to use, you can find everything as it just makes sense. You can do pretty much whatever you want on Android while iOS is too limited for my taste. iPhones are for old, lazy and not really tech-savy people because it doesn't need to be set up and Apple does everything for you. It's literally fool-proof phone.

Also, a lot of people keep saying how Android apps aren't good. I never had issues with any of them. Apps for iPhones take more storage than Android counterparts. And Android apps usually have more features than those for iOS because of system restrictions. I keep hearing how apps for iOS are better quality, but no one says in what terms.
Limited period of security updates makes Android a bad deal. I have an iPhone 6 that is 10+ years old and still it receives security updates from Apple.
You can see that the person knows nothing about the Android when it mentions "limited period of security updates". When we look at security updates, Android actually surpasses iPhone. How? Ever since Android Marshmallow, security updates are handled by Google and on monthly basis. Android is updated in the background through Google Play and those security updates can't be disabled. This is why it's still safe to use devices with Android Oreo which was released back in 2017. As long as Google doesn't stop releasing security updates for Android Oreo, the device will be safe to use, even though it doesn't receive system updates.

Apple bundles feature and security updates and you're paying the cost of that with every additional year. Apple keeps adding more and more features which make their older devices slower and take more already limited space. Android phone brands don't tend to do that; which is why they stop releasing feature updates after some time.
Google pixel devices gets 7-8years of OS update and security updates what was your last android devices? Google and samsung is way ahead in AI, battery and cameras.
Not only, Google and Samsung; pretty much all Android brand started supporting their phones for much longer.
The crash detection feature is why I'm getting it for her it can be life saving and has saved lives! This is more phone than a 65 year old is going to use.
Crash detection is totally irrelevant in the EU. All vehicles manufactured in the EU since 2018 must have eCall feature by law.

When crash happens, the car automatically calls 112 and send your location so emergency services can they can come as fast as possible. There's also dedicated SOS button through which you can quickly call emergency services if you witness a crash.
iOS is more secure too especially during the boot process but even everything from kernel to many memory mitigations from both hardware and software level they have added and made certain apis more restrictive (I think apple calls some of them kits ) have forced me to purchase an Android as iOS jailbreaking is dead
But I would say iOS is definitely the most secure mobile operating system and second is graphene os on a pixel (hardened android)
In 2020, Tom's Guide wrote article how Android are harder to crack than iPhones these days. So I wouldn't call iPhones superior in security.

If your like me and all you use your phone for is texts, checking emails, some pictures and occasionally looking up something on the web than why would you care about which system is most secure? I don't do any shopping or banking on my phone. And its not attached to my hand 24/7, 99% of the time it just sits on my coffee table. And by the way my last 2 phones were Pixel's.:LOL:
The only way to hack Android is to download 3rd party app from shady site, ignore all warnings, grant all permission to the app, setting it as an admin and granting it accessibility service status. If you don't do that, the only damage app can do is... show you ads.

I can guarantee average Android user doesn't know what APK file is, let alone how to do what I wrote. If you really want to infect a device, you will do it regardless if it's PC, phone or smart fridge.
 
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If your like me and all you use your phone for is texts, checking emails, some pictures and occasionally looking up something on the web than why would you care about which system is most secure? I don't do any shopping or banking on my phone. And its not attached to my hand 24/7, 99% of the time it just sits on my coffee table. And by the way my last 2 phones were Pixel's.:LOL:
Are you actually saying phones can be removed from your hand?? - I will pass this valuable info on to my daughters & grandchildren as they don't know this! :D
 

bazang

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iOS is too limited for my taste.
That is your personal preference. The entire point of the Apple ecosystem is to act as a strict gatekeeper and stop "users that want to use stuff" shooting themselves in the foot. For that reason, Apple phones qualify for official use in sensitive government programs whereas Android phones are prohibited. Apple mobile phones, because of proper security design, pass national security requirements whereas Android does not.

Android is better than iOS in some things. iOS is better than Android in some things. It is a matter of personal preference, but overall, iOS has optimized and more effective security than Android.

"Lazy, old people" reach for a non-smart flip phone because they use a phone to make phone calls, and not stream the latest episode of Skibidi Toilet or Squid Game. Gecko made a few billion Euros using a plain old telephone system (POTS) flip-phone. He was old. The phone itself is just a tool.

In the agency and programs, issued iOS phone users are able to do everything that is required. So no limitations as far as work and productivity. However, they are not authorized to game or use the devices for entertainment purposes.

iPhones are for old, lazy and not really tech-savy people because it doesn't need to be set up and Apple does everything for you. It's literally fool-proof phone.
The vast majority of iPhone users are under the age of 30. That cohort is tech-savvy, but not cybersecurity savvy. As for the "old" people who don't have to do anything because Apple does it for them, well that is testament to Apple's superior design and usability - making Apple one of the most profitable companies in history. Apple keeps it simple by not making the device user think. That is superior overall engineering.


I never had issues with any of them.
The quality of Android apps is not the issue. It is the security of the Android app ecosystem that is poisoned. Always has been. Always will be. 83% of mobile phone malicious campaigns are targeted, and successful, on Android devices.


You can see that the person knows nothing about the Android when it mentions "limited period of security updates". When we look at security updates, Android actually surpasses iPhone. How? Ever since Android Marshmallow, security updates are handled by Google and on monthly basis. Android is updated in the background through Google Play and those security updates can't be disabled. This is why it's still safe to use devices with Android Oreo which was released back in 2017. As long as Google doesn't stop releasing security updates for Android Oreo, the device will be safe to use, even though it doesn't receive system updates.
This is not correct. Android security updates still remain the choice of the OEM; Google does not have access to every Android phone since Marshmallow. The OEM has to utilize a chipset supported by the Google GRF program, which provides only 7 years of updates. Google never has provided perpetual security updates whereas Apple always has.

Android apps - not the underlying Android OS - can be enrolled in automatic updates via the Google Play Store.


Apple bundles feature and security updates and you're paying the cost of that with every additional year. Apple keeps adding more and more features which make their older devices slower and take more already limited space. Android phone brands don't tend to do that; which is why they stop releasing feature updates after some time.
Actually not true. The iPhone 6 that I have that is 11 years old is not noticeably slower than it was years ago. But don't take my word for it. There are millions of Apple phone users that have never complained about iOS feature updates slowing down their old mobile devices because the new iOS updates were consuming system resources.


In 2020, Tom's Guide wrote article how Android are harder to crack than iPhones these days. So I wouldn't call iPhones superior in security.

That is not really about security. It is about resistance to law enforcement access. The author of the article, Richard Priday, never stated that Android are more secure than iOS.


The only way to hack Android is to download 3rd party app from shady site, ignore all warnings, grant all permission to the app, setting it as an admin and granting it accessibility service status. If you don't do that, the only damage app can do is... show you ads.
It is not the only way to hack Android (or iOS or Linux phones for that matter). But it is exactly what millions of Android mobile phone device owners and users do daily because the Android ecosystem permits them to do it. The Apple ecosystem does not.

The Android and Android app ecosystems are under constant, massive attack because that system inherently is seriously flawed just like Google's browser extension ecosystem.

Sensor-based statistics show that Android phones have an infection level that is 8.3 times greater than Windows PCs.
 
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