Poll Bitdefender vs Avira Database

Discussion in '360 (Qihoo)' started by greyowl, May 26, 2017.

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Which engine should I enable in Qihoo 360

  1. Bitdefender

    17 vote(s)
    27.0%
  2. Avira

    6 vote(s)
    9.5%
  3. Both

    40 vote(s)
    63.5%
  1. ZeroDay

    ZeroDay Level 22

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    I agree with you completely on that one.
     
  2. tonibalas

    tonibalas Level 38
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    This is how i was running 360 TSE when i was using it for a while.
    Very light in system resources and no false positives from the cloud engine
     
  3. TheMalwareMaster

    TheMalwareMaster Level 19
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    You may try 360 total security + vodoooshield free. 360 TS is more efficient and more updated than 360 TSE (from some cruelsister videos). VoodooShield connects to VirusTotal, so you can use both Avira and BD engines. Both programs are really light
     
  4. greyowl

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    #24 greyowl, May 27, 2017
    Last edited: May 27, 2017
    Thanks for all the information and suggestions. I am tempted to use 360TS alone without Avira or BD. It would certainly be lighter on my old laptop, and possibly just as effective.
     
  5. ttto

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    for me, both are equally powerful
     
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  6. _CyberGhosT_

    _CyberGhosT_ Level 52
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    roflmao :p
     
  7. WinXPert

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    Same here
     
  8. davetenay

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    #28 davetenay, Jun 6, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 6, 2017
    Avira database is way outdated. Although the interface says that Avira is updated, if you open the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\360\Total Security\deepscan\SDEng\savapi, and open with notepad the vbase031.vdf (which is the latest database file) you will see this interesting thing (I'm writing at 10.35 GMT so it is possible they're going to update database later)

    Virus Database File
    Version: 7.14.3.174
    FUP: 1
    License date: 3.5.2017
    VDF date: 3.5.2017
    Minimum engine: 7.9.4.32
    Signatures: 12491653
    Required linked VDF: 7.14.3.89
    Source: 7.14.3.174
    Compiler: 1.5.0.4

    Same thing is you unzip the stand alone Avira database file that you can download from Quihoo site.

    So Avira is totally useless in Quihoo.
     
  9. minegroasprilla

    minegroasprilla Level 2

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    Report that issue to Qihoo staff.
     
  10. Parsh

    Parsh Level 24
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    This ain't a good thing. I'd checked the definitions in that file about a year back when I used it, and it had shown DB about 3 days old.
    There is a little chance that the database update component is corrupt. Can you check for updates again? Sometimes the GUI shows "updated" but it actually does not install updates in a single go.
    If you're sure that your system isn't infected (that may affect 360), better report this issue to Qihoo.
     
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  11. davetenay

    davetenay Level 2

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    I've two systems (totally virus clean) with Qihoo installed and both report the same. I reported this issue to Qihoo some time ago but got no useful feedback. I just guess they have a very limited license by Avira.
    If someone has qihoo installed can check please?
     
  12. mamamia

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  13. AtlBo

    AtlBo Level 22

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  14. AtlBo

    AtlBo Level 22

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    It's the same way on PCs here too. Are you sure the updated sigs aren't stored someplace else? Looks bad for sure. This wouldn't contain definitions for any of the latest ransomware.
     
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  15. Parsh

    Parsh Level 24
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    Can you share the contents of C:\Program Files (x86)\360\Total Security\deepscan\SDEng\savapi\vbase031.vdf to verify the freshness of updates like @davetenay did?
     
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  16. AtlBo

    AtlBo Level 22

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    Exactly like this :(
     
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  17. minegroasprilla

    minegroasprilla Level 2

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    So, Qihoo is a liar.
     
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  18. Spawn

    Spawn Administrator
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    In comparison, how good are Qihoo's own engine?
    • 360 Cloud Scan Engine
    • 360 System Repair Engine
    • 360 QVMII AI Engine
    • Avira Engine
    • Bitdefender Engine
     
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  19. AtlBo

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    #39 AtlBo, Jun 6, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 6, 2017
    Looks at least like Bitdefender defs are being updated:

    Bitdefender.png

    Opening file no header to read, but maybe there is one with a header. Searched the contents of the BD plugin folder where I found what I think are the BD defs but it didn't find anything using the word date. Nonetheless this database looks far more extensive than the Avira one.

    Not a deal breaker for me right now. The cloud defs are probably getting better fairly quickly. So far, I don't think they're very good, but the focus may be on filling in where BD and Avira leave off mostly. I've seen tests of the cloud only setup, and it wasn't very impressive.

    Still believe 360 is here to stay. Tough times getting to the next level for the company I think right now. There's alot of talk about greed and so on, but companies have to generate revenues to pay employees and then profits to pay investors. Ultimately, it's all about the product or nobody gets paid, so I feel like Qihoo higher ups are aware of that.
     
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  20. roger_m

    roger_m Level 12

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    The information on the definitions is in the update.txt file, and you can compare it with the current BD signatures, here. http://download.bitdefender.com/updates/bitdefender_v9/plugins/update.txt
     
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