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Death of Windows7?
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<blockquote data-quote="ForgottenSeer 823865" data-source="post: 854573"><p>and you are maybe the first one that contradict himself in the same post.</p><p></p><p>Let analyze why:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>which obviously has nothing to do with security. for example i use Win10 since day one, updating as soon as possible, upgrading even before the official build release, i never get your issues. so let discard this point.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again this pint has nothing to do with security. You are just annoyed by MS upgrade nags,</p><p></p><p>I</p><p>NOW are talking. Look at all the security apps you needs to get Win7 secure enough to your needs ! amazingly OVERKILL !</p><p></p><p>1- Imaging, this one is fair, i wont deny this.</p><p>2- KIS, full suite , probably the best one on the market, fair enough.</p><p></p><p>and now we enter in Paranoid Mode! :</p><p></p><p>3- NVT ERP...KIS had its own quite powerful default-deny components which makes KIS the top suite and the use of a simple Anti-exe redundant and worthless.</p><p>4- Sandboxie, ok, a sandbox is always useful, but Sandboxie development is dead, and survives only because Win10 didn't break it yet.</p><p>5- Shadow Defender, i used it for quite long time. ok Light Virtualization is useful.</p><p></p><p>So i guess, in the most extreme scenario,:</p><p>1- you enter Shadow Mode (which by itself will prevent the real system to be compromised) ,</p><p>2- then you browse in sandboxie (maybe to avoid getting some keylogger in your Shadow Mode session, SD cant block keyloggers to call home)</p><p>3- then KIS is still active, and will probably just by itself prevent 1 and 2...</p><p>4- but because you don't trust any of the other softs you use, you also have ERP to block the magic malware that will bypass 1,2 and 3...honestly the only reason i can see for you to use ERP is to create custom rules to block LOLbins/LOLscripts.</p><p></p><p>so you basically confirm that you can't use Win7 without additional 3rd party security tools. Unlike Win10 which requires nothing but itself.</p><p>And amusingly , you are the one telling people shouldn't upgrade to Win10 because it is fanfare, blablabla... but rather tell them to add half a dozen of security tools to their Win7...Really?</p><p></p><p></p><p>indeed, but with Win10 i have a secure OS out-of-the-Box. and i will be safer than you when it comes to Kernel Exploits (which will bypass any security softs because it runs as the name say "Kernel" level) because the vulnerability will be promptly fixed. </p><p></p><p></p><p>not security related.</p><p></p><p></p><p>because you seems to ignore what are kernel exploits delivered via fileless malware.</p><p></p><p></p><p>try again without any 3rd party securty tools, will you do? i dont think so.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Since decades i used a computer, i never get infected, not because some security softs protected me, but because i never <strong><u>encountered</u></strong> any malware.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ForgottenSeer 823865, post: 854573"] and you are maybe the first one that contradict himself in the same post. Let analyze why: which obviously has nothing to do with security. for example i use Win10 since day one, updating as soon as possible, upgrading even before the official build release, i never get your issues. so let discard this point. Again this pint has nothing to do with security. You are just annoyed by MS upgrade nags, I NOW are talking. Look at all the security apps you needs to get Win7 secure enough to your needs ! amazingly OVERKILL ! 1- Imaging, this one is fair, i wont deny this. 2- KIS, full suite , probably the best one on the market, fair enough. and now we enter in Paranoid Mode! : 3- NVT ERP...KIS had its own quite powerful default-deny components which makes KIS the top suite and the use of a simple Anti-exe redundant and worthless. 4- Sandboxie, ok, a sandbox is always useful, but Sandboxie development is dead, and survives only because Win10 didn't break it yet. 5- Shadow Defender, i used it for quite long time. ok Light Virtualization is useful. So i guess, in the most extreme scenario,: 1- you enter Shadow Mode (which by itself will prevent the real system to be compromised) , 2- then you browse in sandboxie (maybe to avoid getting some keylogger in your Shadow Mode session, SD cant block keyloggers to call home) 3- then KIS is still active, and will probably just by itself prevent 1 and 2... 4- but because you don't trust any of the other softs you use, you also have ERP to block the magic malware that will bypass 1,2 and 3...honestly the only reason i can see for you to use ERP is to create custom rules to block LOLbins/LOLscripts. so you basically confirm that you can't use Win7 without additional 3rd party security tools. Unlike Win10 which requires nothing but itself. And amusingly , you are the one telling people shouldn't upgrade to Win10 because it is fanfare, blablabla... but rather tell them to add half a dozen of security tools to their Win7...Really? indeed, but with Win10 i have a secure OS out-of-the-Box. and i will be safer than you when it comes to Kernel Exploits (which will bypass any security softs because it runs as the name say "Kernel" level) because the vulnerability will be promptly fixed. not security related. because you seems to ignore what are kernel exploits delivered via fileless malware. try again without any 3rd party securty tools, will you do? i dont think so. Since decades i used a computer, i never get infected, not because some security softs protected me, but because i never [B][U]encountered[/U][/B] any malware. [/QUOTE]
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