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Death of Windows7?
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<blockquote data-quote="ForgottenSeer 823865" data-source="post: 854586"><p>1- of course you did, you dismissed upgrading Win10 as security measure, while you keep Win7 boosted with 5 security apps.</p><p>2- it doesn't really matter as long it will last before before changing, when an OS will not get security patches for vulnerabilities, especially kernel ones, it won't worth be used. If you car constructor tell you that your engine is faulty and may explode but it won't be fixed, will you change the car or keep using it despite the risks? i already know your answer...</p><p>3- overkill and affording nothing much to the overall security, not saying its development is way slower than KIS, so 2 reasons not to use it. In a layered config, the additional softs are supposed to complement what the initial one is lacking, not as backup if it fails.</p><p>4- i know, i did in the past. but honestly, i don't even need any of them.</p><p>5-no, in Win10 Home, you have Windows Defender (AV), Exploit Protection (ex-EMET, true Anti-Exploit), Core Integrity (to secure critical process), Controlled Folder (to prevent files modifications), Secureboot (to prevent malicious drivers), Smartscreen (Reputation mechanism), etc.. What else do you need? i don't even talk about the Win10 Enterprise i'm using which add tons of security options to the point i run it naked (but tweaked).</p><p></p><p>To a beginner/classic user, Win10 is way more secure than Win7, no one can deny that.</p><p></p><p>When you compare stuff, you compare them at the same level, both out-of-the-box or both with additional tools; and with this in mind, in term of security, Win10 just relegate Win7 to a crap OS... Win7 Defender awesome anti-spyware...come on...</p><p></p><p>I bet you will never run win7 without any security tools, i can see you aren't foolish to do that and it just confirm that Win7 isn't secure by just itself and user who don't know about security must upgrade.</p><p>The whole "fanfare" as you claimed, isn't about security-aware/experienced users, it is about the total noobs who can't protect themselves; the best they can do to be safer is to upgrade.</p><p></p><p>I observed many security-oriented people, bashing Win10 because "i can make Win7 very safe", sure, but does 99% of the users worldwide can do the same? not at all.</p><p>So yes , i'm hypercritic to those who mislead users stating upgrading to Win10 is not necessary, while they safely relax behind their security knowledge/tools and let Average Joe struggle and be victims of keyloggers and ransomware...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ForgottenSeer 823865, post: 854586"] 1- of course you did, you dismissed upgrading Win10 as security measure, while you keep Win7 boosted with 5 security apps. 2- it doesn't really matter as long it will last before before changing, when an OS will not get security patches for vulnerabilities, especially kernel ones, it won't worth be used. If you car constructor tell you that your engine is faulty and may explode but it won't be fixed, will you change the car or keep using it despite the risks? i already know your answer... 3- overkill and affording nothing much to the overall security, not saying its development is way slower than KIS, so 2 reasons not to use it. In a layered config, the additional softs are supposed to complement what the initial one is lacking, not as backup if it fails. 4- i know, i did in the past. but honestly, i don't even need any of them. 5-no, in Win10 Home, you have Windows Defender (AV), Exploit Protection (ex-EMET, true Anti-Exploit), Core Integrity (to secure critical process), Controlled Folder (to prevent files modifications), Secureboot (to prevent malicious drivers), Smartscreen (Reputation mechanism), etc.. What else do you need? i don't even talk about the Win10 Enterprise i'm using which add tons of security options to the point i run it naked (but tweaked). To a beginner/classic user, Win10 is way more secure than Win7, no one can deny that. When you compare stuff, you compare them at the same level, both out-of-the-box or both with additional tools; and with this in mind, in term of security, Win10 just relegate Win7 to a crap OS... Win7 Defender awesome anti-spyware...come on... I bet you will never run win7 without any security tools, i can see you aren't foolish to do that and it just confirm that Win7 isn't secure by just itself and user who don't know about security must upgrade. The whole "fanfare" as you claimed, isn't about security-aware/experienced users, it is about the total noobs who can't protect themselves; the best they can do to be safer is to upgrade. I observed many security-oriented people, bashing Win10 because "i can make Win7 very safe", sure, but does 99% of the users worldwide can do the same? not at all. So yes , i'm hypercritic to those who mislead users stating upgrading to Win10 is not necessary, while they safely relax behind their security knowledge/tools and let Average Joe struggle and be victims of keyloggers and ransomware... [/QUOTE]
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