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<blockquote data-quote="ForgottenSeer 72227" data-source="post: 854847"><p>For me the simple fact that MS will no longer be providing security updates is more then enough reason for me to upgrade to W10. W7 was great during it's time, but IMHO W10 is far superior in many ways. It way more secure outside the box and I just like the look and feel so much more. IMHO I personally feel like this has been the best OS that MS has ever done.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well you can use all of those, but it's way overkill IMHO. Kaspersky Internet Security does all of that, minus the sandboxing so really all the other stuff is redundant. For me the simple fact that W10 can do a lot of that by itself makes it more the reason to move to W10. Granted that you will have to take the time to enable/tweak some settings to get the same effect, but it's still there none the less.</p><p></p><p>The fact that you want to run all of those programs does show that you don't feel secure enough. In all honesty, if you want to continue to use W7, have at it, but personally I think you can just use Kaspersky and be done with it. Just because they may work together, doesn't mean there won't be issues/conflicts down the road.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A lot of being malware feel has to do with the simple fact of how one uses their computer and surfs the web. If those people only go to sites like Facebook and they don't install any programs, etc... chances are they will be infection free, no matter if they are using W7 or W10. Like I said above, the simple fact that you have to add a bunch of 3rd party apps to "secure" windows 7 says you don't feel secure enough using it. 3rd party apps are not invincible and adding a ton of them overtop on another doesn't make you "more secure," in fact it can have the opposite effect. Just like the built in stuff within W10, hackers do take their time to bypass and get around 3rd party programs, so I wouldn't just assume that you are more secure using 3rd party programs, compared to what's built into W10. Your overall surfing computer habits usually will dictate that more so then what security setup you are using.</p><p></p><p>Also, if you have to use "hacked" drivers to make hardware run is yet another reason to upgrade. I personally would never, EVER trust someone making a hacked driver to run newer hardware. First there's no guarantee it will run optimally, second how do you know it's safe? and third, good luck getting support from any vendor if something goes wrong. Like anything, things move forward, not backwards and like software, hardware will stop being supported aswell.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed,</p><p></p><p>I've being using W10 since it came out and never ran into any issues with either security updates, or big feature updates. A lot of the reported issues has to do with big feature updates rather than security updates. Since I always do full clean installs when these feature updates are released, I have yet you encounter a problem. I know not everyone likes this approach, but it works, and I know I'm not alone in this regard. Most of those issues usually are the result of in-place upgrades rather than doing a clean install. I know not everyone has the skills to do such a thing, so I do wish that MS would do a better job with in-place upgrades, but for me I feel like its an important skill to learn if you like using computers and want to dive into these things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're right, it was never the end of malware and it never will be, but I don't think that was the point of W10. At the end of the day, W10 is still much more secure outside the box compared to W7. Like I said above, if you have to add a bunch of 3rd party programs to achieve the same benefit of W10, well then that answers your question. No one ever said that W10 would never be hacked, or malware free, but still doesn't mean that MS hasn't improved on it's overall security. Hacking/malware is always a cat an mouse game, so no matter what there will always be malware and security holes.</p><p></p><p>The example of your brother being malware free has more to do with is overall computing habits, rather than which OS he's running. He could be running W10 at default and my guess is that he will remain malware free. Especially if he doesn't install any programs himself and only vists a hand full of sites like Facebook, etc... As I said above, your overall habits will usually dictate your overall security, more so than which OS/3rd party program you are running. Don't get me wrong, they help, but if everyone used their computer the way your brother does, I don't think we would see as many infections as we do. That's just my opinion.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite140" alt=":emoji_beer:" title="Beer :emoji_beer:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":emoji_beer:" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite109" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ForgottenSeer 72227, post: 854847"] For me the simple fact that MS will no longer be providing security updates is more then enough reason for me to upgrade to W10. W7 was great during it's time, but IMHO W10 is far superior in many ways. It way more secure outside the box and I just like the look and feel so much more. IMHO I personally feel like this has been the best OS that MS has ever done. Well you can use all of those, but it's way overkill IMHO. Kaspersky Internet Security does all of that, minus the sandboxing so really all the other stuff is redundant. For me the simple fact that W10 can do a lot of that by itself makes it more the reason to move to W10. Granted that you will have to take the time to enable/tweak some settings to get the same effect, but it's still there none the less. The fact that you want to run all of those programs does show that you don't feel secure enough. In all honesty, if you want to continue to use W7, have at it, but personally I think you can just use Kaspersky and be done with it. Just because they may work together, doesn't mean there won't be issues/conflicts down the road. A lot of being malware feel has to do with the simple fact of how one uses their computer and surfs the web. If those people only go to sites like Facebook and they don't install any programs, etc... chances are they will be infection free, no matter if they are using W7 or W10. Like I said above, the simple fact that you have to add a bunch of 3rd party apps to "secure" windows 7 says you don't feel secure enough using it. 3rd party apps are not invincible and adding a ton of them overtop on another doesn't make you "more secure," in fact it can have the opposite effect. Just like the built in stuff within W10, hackers do take their time to bypass and get around 3rd party programs, so I wouldn't just assume that you are more secure using 3rd party programs, compared to what's built into W10. Your overall surfing computer habits usually will dictate that more so then what security setup you are using. Also, if you have to use "hacked" drivers to make hardware run is yet another reason to upgrade. I personally would never, EVER trust someone making a hacked driver to run newer hardware. First there's no guarantee it will run optimally, second how do you know it's safe? and third, good luck getting support from any vendor if something goes wrong. Like anything, things move forward, not backwards and like software, hardware will stop being supported aswell. Agreed, I've being using W10 since it came out and never ran into any issues with either security updates, or big feature updates. A lot of the reported issues has to do with big feature updates rather than security updates. Since I always do full clean installs when these feature updates are released, I have yet you encounter a problem. I know not everyone likes this approach, but it works, and I know I'm not alone in this regard. Most of those issues usually are the result of in-place upgrades rather than doing a clean install. I know not everyone has the skills to do such a thing, so I do wish that MS would do a better job with in-place upgrades, but for me I feel like its an important skill to learn if you like using computers and want to dive into these things. You're right, it was never the end of malware and it never will be, but I don't think that was the point of W10. At the end of the day, W10 is still much more secure outside the box compared to W7. Like I said above, if you have to add a bunch of 3rd party programs to achieve the same benefit of W10, well then that answers your question. No one ever said that W10 would never be hacked, or malware free, but still doesn't mean that MS hasn't improved on it's overall security. Hacking/malware is always a cat an mouse game, so no matter what there will always be malware and security holes. The example of your brother being malware free has more to do with is overall computing habits, rather than which OS he's running. He could be running W10 at default and my guess is that he will remain malware free. Especially if he doesn't install any programs himself and only vists a hand full of sites like Facebook, etc... As I said above, your overall habits will usually dictate your overall security, more so than which OS/3rd party program you are running. Don't get me wrong, they help, but if everyone used their computer the way your brother does, I don't think we would see as many infections as we do. That's just my opinion.:emoji_beer::) [/QUOTE]
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