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<blockquote data-quote="Tutman" data-source="post: 971627" data-attributes="member: 87079">Thanks much!&nbsp;&nbsp; It infected all 3 of my family PC&#039;s.&nbsp; We didn&#039;t know about it for months.&nbsp; They were able to control the pc and open web pages and talk via the text to voice built in app among other things.&nbsp; They could HEAR us and would respond when we talked to them.&nbsp; None of the PC&#039;s have a mic or a camera.&nbsp;&nbsp; I still can&#039;t figure out how they did that.&nbsp; And since theycould hear us they heard me tell my wife our master password for the password manager and then they had it ALL!&nbsp;&nbsp; We had to delete our main email accounts and lucky after months and months we are mostly stable now and had to retrieve access to all our sites.&nbsp; We tried to reformat and reinstall windows and then they would show up again and still have access but more limited.&nbsp; Finally we wiped the drives and deleted partition and reinstalled windows at least 3 times.&nbsp; We are still very cautious but it seems to be gone.&nbsp;&nbsp; I am sure the reason we could not remove them is because we switched to SSD&#039;s instead of&nbsp; HD and I hear that RATS can make windows think there are bad sectors on SSD&#039;s and hide in the memory blocks and possibly reinstall themselves?&nbsp; I think this would have been less of an issue if we just had regular spinner HD&#039;s.&nbsp; BTW I recommend NEVER use protonmail or gmail accounts if possible.&nbsp; I like to never got my google act deleted.&nbsp; Because they took it over and they just would put the password back in that they &quot;remembered&quot; aka changed it to and they would have it back again from me.&nbsp; And I would delete the account and they would re-activate it.&nbsp; A complete joke of security from that company!&nbsp; Also with protonmail and google gmail you can have mulitple instances of access at one time.&nbsp;&nbsp; So I would be in it and they would also!!! I tried proton after deleting my main email when I thought system was disinfected and found out it was horrible as I said can have mulitple access.&nbsp;&nbsp; I know use Mailfence andrecommend them completely!(Feel free to move this post to a new thread if needed!)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tutman, post: 971627, member: 87079"] Thanks much! It infected all 3 of my family PC's. We didn't know about it for months. They were able to control the pc and open web pages and talk via the text to voice built in app among other things. They could HEAR us and would respond when we talked to them. None of the PC's have a mic or a camera. I still can't figure out how they did that. And since they could hear us they heard me tell my wife our master password for the password manager and then they had it ALL! We had to delete our main email accounts and lucky after months and months we are mostly stable now and had to retrieve access to all our sites. We tried to reformat and reinstall windows and then they would show up again and still have access but more limited. Finally we wiped the drives and deleted partition and reinstalled windows at least 3 times. We are still very cautious but it seems to be gone. I am sure the reason we could not remove them is because we switched to SSD's instead of HD and I hear that RATS can make windows think there are bad sectors on SSD's and hide in the memory blocks and possibly reinstall themselves? I think this would have been less of an issue if we just had regular spinner HD's. BTW I recommend NEVER use protonmail or gmail accounts if possible. I like to never got my google act deleted. Because they took it over and they just would put the password back in that they "remembered" aka changed it to and they would have it back again from me. And I would delete the account and they would re-activate it. A complete joke of security from that company! Also with protonmail and google gmail you can have mulitple instances of access at one time. So I would be in it and they would also!!! I tried proton after deleting my main email when I thought system was disinfected and found out it was horrible as I said can have mulitple access. I know use Mailfence and recommend them completely! (Feel free to move this post to a new thread if needed!) [/QUOTE]

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