Advice Request Kaspersky and Cloud Privacy

[bayasdev]

Kaspersky is programmed to automatically upload every unknown executable file to their server, is up to them what they do with the retrieved data, and since Kaspersky is a russian company, they'll try to expose foreign intelligence agencies, while maybe covering KGB sponsored malware but that's my two cents.

 

[fabiobr]

I have always considered KSN as a privacy-thing rather than protection. Based on that, I have never enabled/used this function. In what scale does KSN matter?

If you don't trust "your" antivirus company, why use it?

 

[Devilboss94]

Kaspersky is programmed to automatically upload every unknown executable file to their server, is up to them what they do with the retrieved data, and since Kaspersky is a russian company, they'll try to expose foreign intelligence agencies, while maybe covering KGB sponsored malware but that's my two cents.

But do you have evidence on this?
It suits me that the Russians are not welcome but to accuse a company without founded evidence I see it useless ...

 

[bayasdev]

But do you have evidence on this?
It suits me that the Russians are not welcome but to accuse a company without founded evidence I see it useless ...

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[toto_10]

If you don't trust "your" antivirus company, why use it?

If I can avoid to have my sensitive files scanned/stored by Kaspersky, why not?

I fully trust Kaspersky on everything they do. They can even have my house key

 

[blackice]

If I can avoid to have my sensitive files scanned/stored by Kaspersky, why not?

I fully trust Kaspersky on everything they do. They can even have my house key

They probably already do

 

[Durden]

It's just a hunch, a feeling in my gut that tells me ESET is one of the more aggressive vendors regarding privacy and the data they collect.
Not backed up by anything, just a feeling I always had. Maybe time will tell us... Maybe not.

 

[fabiobr]

If I can avoid to have my sensitive files scanned/stored by Kaspersky, why not?

I fully trust Kaspersky on everything they do. They can even have my house key

That's not my point.

If you think that Kaspersky would steal your data beyond malware analysis, why use it? It's like using a "criminal software" trying to defeat other criminals, it doesn't make sense.

I would choose what makes me feel fully comfortable then.

By trust a company I mean: Trusting they only do things to combat malware and protect YOU (consumer of their products), that they won't access your data to steal it. Trust is essential for AV software.

 

[Tiamati]

what makes me feel fully comfortable then.

Like which AV?

 

[fabiobr]

Like which AV?

Personal decision.

 

[miguelang611]

That's not my point.

If you think that Kaspersky would steal your data beyond malware analysis, why use it? It's like using a "criminal software" trying to defeat other criminals, it doesn't make sense.

I would choose what makes me feel fully comfortable then.

By trust a company I mean: Trusting they only do things to combat malware and protect YOU (consumer of their products), that they won't access your data to steal it. Trust is essential for AV software.

Well, I think it is more a matter of personal opinion.
I trust Kaspersky the most and that's why I use it, but if I can choose not to provide my personal data that's what I will do. And well, I would myself contribute, but give me option to know what you are sending to the cloud
I can understand people that give 100% control, but well, I don't trust anyone 100%, then if I can choose not to give the 100%, I will do that.
And well, for the family's PC I use the anti-spam, which is disabled by default, and that gives Kaspersky full access to your emails.
So, well I think is more a matter of what I think I can give them access to. Just an opinion of course
Cheers!
PS: I would understand Kaspersky would force free users to enable KSN, to help Kaspersky as nothing is given other way to Kaspersky

 

[toto_10]

That's not my point.

If you think that Kaspersky would steal your data beyond malware analysis, why use it? It's like using a "criminal software" trying to defeat other criminals, it doesn't make sense.

I would choose what makes me feel fully comfortable then.

By trust a company I mean: Trusting they only do things to combat malware and protect YOU (consumer of their products), that they won't access your data to steal it. Trust is essential for AV software.

I never said Kaspersky is stealing my data. So, by disabling a privacy-function equals I don't trust a company? That's not how I look at it.

If KSN was exclusively about privacy i would definitely disable it, why wouldn't I. Not necessary to collect my stats etc.

 

[Paul.R]

Big names from AV industry spy in a way or another it's up to you if you accepted or not. You lost the right to privacy from 2007 (I think) - see google and USA reference

Here is a proof of someone how take intel on a Windows XP from Russian Government:

Spoiler: proof

 

[AYIZEB]

Kaspersky is for me the best antivirus, but speaking of privacy, which is private today? The mobile phone with iPhone or the one with Android? your computer with windows operating system? your social networks? unfortunately nothing in this world is private already in this technological era, now if they ask me who I prefer to have my data if a multinational or the cyber criminal at home who will sell my data to get all the money, sincerely I prefer the first, simply use the antivirus that you like, good navigation and good practices.

 

[harlan4096]

If KSN was exclusively about privacy i would definitely disable it, why wouldn't I. Not necessary to collect my stats etc.

You can disable KSN even in free version, also in European versions You have an additional setting You can disable, it follows GRPD... and during installation You are requested twice to read the conditions before enable...

 

[miguelang611]

You can disable KSN even in free version, also in European versions You have an additional setting You can disable, it follows GRPD... and during installation You are requested twice to read the conditions before enable...

Yes you are right.
But Kaspersky doesn't really explain that accepting KSN is accepting sample submission, since u still get the same protection unless u wanna check Kaspersky KSN reputation on right click.
Me myself I thought that rejecting KSN would mean losing all KSN protection. While I may congratulate Kaspersky on other aspects, the KSN thing is very very bad done, because it confuses the user.
As I said, I would even understand they to force KSN sample submission on Free version, but they should clarify that rejecting KSN just means rejecting sample submission, not disabling KSN protection, which is pretty different
As always, this is just my opinion ofc
Cheers!

 

[Andrew3000]

Yes you are right.
But Kaspersky doesn't really explain that accepting KSN is accepting sample submission, since u still get the same protection unless u wanna check Kaspersky KSN reputation on right click.
Me myself I thought that rejecting KSN would mean losing all KSN protection. While I may congratulate Kaspersky on other aspects, the KSN thing is very very bad done, because it confuses the user.
As I said, I would even understand they to force KSN sample submission on Free version, but they should clarify that rejecting KSN just means rejecting sample submission, not disabling KSN protection, which is pretty different
As always, this is just my opinion ofc
Cheers!

As you can read at the bottom here: Kaspersky Lab Privacy Policy | Kaspersky Lab
If you have more specific concerns about privacy, you can contact Kaspersky directly. I think contacting them is the best way to get clear how they use the data.

Spoiler

If you have any questions or comments about this Privacy Policy, Kaspersky Lab's privacy practices or if you would like us to update or remove information or preferences you provided to us, please visit https://www.kaspersky.com/global-privacy-policy, or you may contact our Kaspersky Lab EU representative via e-mail or phone: Kaspersky Labs GmbH, Ingolstadt, Germany, info@kaspersky.de, +49 (0) 841 98 18 90, according to point (a) of Article 13 (1) and Article 27 (1) of GDPR, or you may contact our Data Protection Officer in the EU, according to point (b) of Article 13 (1) and Article 37 (1) of GDPR, as well as for the other countries, via dpo@kaspersky.com.

 

[miguelang611]

As you can read at the bottom here: Kaspersky Lab Privacy Policy | Kaspersky Lab
If you have more specific concerns about privacy, you can contact Kaspersky directly. I think contacting them is the best way to get clear how they use the data.

Spoiler

If you have any questions or comments about this Privacy Policy, Kaspersky Lab's privacy practices or if you would like us to update or remove information or preferences you provided to us, please visit https://www.kaspersky.com/global-privacy-policy, or you may contact our Kaspersky Lab EU representative via e-mail or phone: Kaspersky Labs GmbH, Ingolstadt, Germany, info@kaspersky.de, +49 (0) 841 98 18 90, according to point (a) of Article 13 (1) and Article 27 (1) of GDPR, or you may contact our Data Protection Officer in the EU, according to point (b) of Article 13 (1) and Article 37 (1) of GDPR, as well as for the other countries, via dpo@kaspersky.com.

Well, that's nice to have, but I trust Kaspersky, more than I do for example, Google or Microsoft.
On both M$ and G u have to do lots of things: on M$ u have to make trickery with software like O&O, WPD, ESO, firewalls, and with Google, recheck opt-out that magically renables, delete some Gapps, use adblock, use antitracking... And still, with none of them u r still private

So, well, Idk why that much polemic, if I wanna opt out KSN that's it, Im not asking Kaspersky to give me full report of their business, I am just using the option they give me. The good thing is that Kaspersky give u a real option to opt-out with a button, not as G or M$ where they r always forcing u to let them do whatever they want with u and ur privacy

Cheers!

 

[MacDefender]

As you can read at the bottom here: Kaspersky Lab Privacy Policy | Kaspersky Lab
If you have more specific concerns about privacy, you can contact Kaspersky directly. I think contacting them is the best way to get clear how they use the data.

Spoiler

If you have any questions or comments about this Privacy Policy, Kaspersky Lab's privacy practices or if you would like us to update or remove information or preferences you provided to us, please visit https://www.kaspersky.com/global-privacy-policy, or you may contact our Kaspersky Lab EU representative via e-mail or phone: Kaspersky Labs GmbH, Ingolstadt, Germany, info@kaspersky.de, +49 (0) 841 98 18 90, according to point (a) of Article 13 (1) and Article 27 (1) of GDPR, or you may contact our Data Protection Officer in the EU, according to point (b) of Article 13 (1) and Article 37 (1) of GDPR, as well as for the other countries, via dpo@kaspersky.com.

FWIW this wording is a ton clearer on some parts of the website, especially the GDPR versions, compared to what ships in the software here in North America.

The USA agreements say nothing about passive participation, but that language is in the GDPR version.

 

[blackice]

All these privacy policies are well and good, but we will never know if they are following them. I assume I have very little privacy online and in most devices for that matter.