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<blockquote data-quote="Andy Ful" data-source="post: 913427" data-attributes="member: 32260"><p>It is true that WD/MSD on default settings cannot compete with the commercial AV business versions. Simply, it is not designed for the business environment. But, from the OP it does not follow that WD/MSD is useless. On the contrary, it is easy to see that WD/MSD on default settings can compete with commercial AV Home versions, for example:</p><p></p><p><strong>FIRST LIST</strong></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">AV-Test June 2018 - June 2020 (<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">added scorings from August and October 2020</span>)</span></p><p></p><p>------------------------- <span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px">6----</span></strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>5.5-----</strong></span></span><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">5----4.5</span></span></strong></p><p>Norton...........13+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2..</span>...0........0........0</p><p>Kaspersky.....12+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2</span>.....1........0........0</p><p>Trend Micro..12+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2</span>.....1........0........0</p><p>Bitdefender...11+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2..</span>...2........0........0</p><p>*F-Secure......11+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2</span>.....0........0........0</p><p>Avira..............10+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>....3+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>.....0........0</p><p>Avast...............9+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2</span>.....4........0........0</p><p>Microsoft........9+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2..</span>...4........0........0</p><p>McAfee...........7+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2</span>.....3........3........0</p><p>Vipre................4+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>.....9........0+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>...0</p><p>K-7...................5+<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1..</span>...7........1........<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span></p><p><s>*Eset...............2...6.....4</s></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>SECOND LIST</strong></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">AV-Comparatives Malware Protection </span></p><p>(<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">September 2018</span>, March 2019, September 2019, March 2020, September 2020):</p><p></p><p><strong>----------------Missed samples</strong>----<strong>Clusters/Awards</strong></p><p><strong>Group 1</strong></p><p>Avast, AVG........<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">0</span>+1+0+2+0.............<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>,1,1,1,1</p><p>Norton...............<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">0</span>+(2)+(2)+0+2.......<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>,1,1,1,1</p><p>Bitdefender.......<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>+1+5+2+1.............<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>,1,1,1,1</p><p>Avira ................<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2</span>+0+4+3+4........ ....<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>,1,1,1,2</p><p></p><p><strong>Group 2</strong></p><p>Microsoft...........<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>+2+4+12+0..........<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>,1,1,3,1</p><p>Panda ................<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">3</span>+1+1+4+11.........<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>,1,1,1,3</p><p>K7......................<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">20</span>+5+5+1+2..... .....<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">3</span>,1,1,1,1 (better clusters than for Vipre)</p><p>VIPRE ................<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2</span>+4+10+3+4 .........<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>,1,2,1,2</p><p>ESET...................<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">7</span>+15+12+1+2 .......<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>,2,2,1,1</p><p>Kaspersky......... <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">12(1</span>)+13+9+3+1....<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2,</span>2,2,1,1</p><p>F-Secure ...........<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">16</span>+14+9+0+1........ <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">2</span>,2,2,1,1</p><p><s>Total Defense*...5+19+1+4.........1,3,1,2</s></p><p>McAfee ............ <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">0</span>+11+19+7+0.........<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>,2,3,2,1 (worse clusters than F-Secure)</p><p></p><p><strong>Hard to classify</strong></p><p>Trend Micro......<span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>+0+0+82+175...... <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span>,1,1,4,4</p><p></p><p>When we see that Microsoft product scored better than McAfee, <s>Kaspersky</s>, <s>Eset</s> Vipre, and K-7 both in AV-Test (Real-world Protection) and AV-Comparatives (Malware Protection), then we cannot say that it is useless.</p><p>In my opinion, these results rather show that such tests cannot say much about the AV protection, but can say two important things:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Most of the popular AVs have probably very similar protection in the home environment.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The test scorings are probably close to random. For example, it is hard to understand how the top AV on the first list (Trend Micro) is the last (and far away) on the second list.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite132" alt=":unsure:" title="Unsure :unsure:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":unsure:" /></li> </ol><p></p><p>Edit</p><p>The cumulative data in AV-Test does not include years, so it happened that only the 3 Eset tests were from the year 2020 and the rest were from 2016-2017. That is why I removed Eset from the AV-Test list.</p><p></p><p><strong>Post updated.</strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Corrected the error in the Kaspersky scorings in AV-Test.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Added the results for AV-Comparatives Malware Protection test (September 2018) and AV-Test August and October. </span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Andy Ful, post: 913427, member: 32260"] It is true that WD/MSD on default settings cannot compete with the commercial AV business versions. Simply, it is not designed for the business environment. But, from the OP it does not follow that WD/MSD is useless. On the contrary, it is easy to see that WD/MSD on default settings can compete with commercial AV Home versions, for example: [B]FIRST LIST[/B] [SIZE=5]AV-Test June 2018 - June 2020 ([COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]added scorings from August and October 2020[/COLOR])[/SIZE] ------------------------- [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)][B][SIZE=4]6----[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=4][B]5.5-----[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]5----4.5[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] Norton...........13+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2..[/COLOR]...0........0........0 Kaspersky.....12+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2[/COLOR].....1........0........0 Trend Micro..12+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2[/COLOR].....1........0........0 Bitdefender...11+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2..[/COLOR]...2........0........0 *F-Secure......11+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2[/COLOR].....0........0........0 Avira..............10+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR]....3+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR].....0........0 Avast...............9+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2[/COLOR].....4........0........0 Microsoft........9+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2..[/COLOR]...4........0........0 McAfee...........7+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2[/COLOR].....3........3........0 Vipre................4+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR].....9........0+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR]...0 K-7...................5+[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1..[/COLOR]...7........1........[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR] [S]*Eset...............2...6.....4[/S] [B]SECOND LIST[/B] [SIZE=5]AV-Comparatives Malware Protection [/SIZE] ([COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]September 2018[/COLOR], March 2019, September 2019, March 2020, September 2020): [B]----------------Missed samples[/B]----[B]Clusters/Awards Group 1[/B] Avast, AVG........[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]0[/COLOR]+1+0+2+0.............[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR],1,1,1,1 Norton...............[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]0[/COLOR]+(2)+(2)+0+2.......[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR],1,1,1,1 Bitdefender.......[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR]+1+5+2+1.............[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR],1,1,1,1 Avira ................[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2[/COLOR]+0+4+3+4........ ....[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR],1,1,1,2 [B]Group 2[/B] Microsoft...........[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR]+2+4+12+0..........[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR],1,1,3,1 Panda ................[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]3[/COLOR]+1+1+4+11.........[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR],1,1,1,3 K7......................[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]20[/COLOR]+5+5+1+2..... .....[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]3[/COLOR],1,1,1,1 (better clusters than for Vipre) VIPRE ................[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2[/COLOR]+4+10+3+4 .........[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR],1,2,1,2 ESET...................[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]7[/COLOR]+15+12+1+2 .......[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR],2,2,1,1 Kaspersky......... [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]12(1[/COLOR])+13+9+3+1....[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2,[/COLOR]2,2,1,1 F-Secure ...........[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]16[/COLOR]+14+9+0+1........ [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]2[/COLOR],2,2,1,1 [S]Total Defense*...5+19+1+4.........1,3,1,2[/S] McAfee ............ [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]0[/COLOR]+11+19+7+0.........[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR],2,3,2,1 (worse clusters than F-Secure) [B]Hard to classify[/B] Trend Micro......[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR]+0+0+82+175...... [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR],1,1,4,4 When we see that Microsoft product scored better than McAfee, [S]Kaspersky[/S], [S]Eset[/S] Vipre, and K-7 both in AV-Test (Real-world Protection) and AV-Comparatives (Malware Protection), then we cannot say that it is useless. In my opinion, these results rather show that such tests cannot say much about the AV protection, but can say two important things: [LIST=1] [*]Most of the popular AVs have probably very similar protection in the home environment. [*]The test scorings are probably close to random. For example, it is hard to understand how the top AV on the first list (Trend Micro) is the last (and far away) on the second list.:unsure: [/LIST] Edit The cumulative data in AV-Test does not include years, so it happened that only the 3 Eset tests were from the year 2020 and the rest were from 2016-2017. That is why I removed Eset from the AV-Test list. [B]Post updated. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Corrected the error in the Kaspersky scorings in AV-Test. Added the results for AV-Comparatives Malware Protection test (September 2018) and AV-Test August and October. [/COLOR][/B] [/QUOTE]
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