New Update Microsoft issues SECOND emergency out of band update for Windows 11 to address disastrous Patch Tuesday bugs — KB5078127 released globally

[Jonny Quest]

Home user use Linux as a toy, not for productivity.
For productivity, home user resort to Windows.
Market share figures can tell the current situation.

I may consider it a hobby OS. But I agree, Windows for productivity, especially in the greater business sector as well as for home users.

 

[Trident]

That is even worse; I was looking for an execuse.
So the OS relies on "lazy" developers using your own words, not mine.

For them to do quality software, they need to be incentivized, guided and controlled. When the OS has low market share, this creates a "magic circle" where developers don't do much because there are not many users and not many users want to use the software because devs don't do much.

It's the classic Windows Mobile syndrome.

 

[Parkinsond]

For them to do quality software, they need to be incentivized, guided and controlled

Then the sponsor either not generous enought, or does not know how to manage its investment properly.
The reason for saying they need a sponsor.

 

[Parkinsond]

I may consider it a hobby OS. But I agree, Windows for productivity, especially in the greater business sector as well as for home users.

Most home users in countries using illegally activated Windows will definitely prefer to avoid the risk of using activators if Linux could provide the main functions they require.

When Linxu reaches 20% market share, I will consider it the full success; I do not expect to surpass Windows market share, even if they provide the same level of usability.

 

[Trident]

Then the sponsor either not generous enought, or does not know how to manage its investment properly.
The reason for saying they need a sponsor.

They are all heavily sponsored, even though it is "open source", without the big corps this "open source" won't really go too far.

The costs and investments generally aren't disclosed but it's not exactly free to create this operating system, as in someone sits and writes code of the goodness of their hearts.
There are sponsors, donators and so on.
Also, Linux is a mix of the kernel, the graphics environment and so on. It all comes from different sources.

Huge portion of software as well is written by big corps merely because they needed the software.

It is a similar situation with Android.
It is free and open source but if you look at how much Samsung and other phone makers have contributed towards the general codebase (not proprietary shells and bells), it is probably more than the Google contributions.

Microsoft is generally developers-friendly, Apple is very strict. You either do what Apple says or nothing at all.
For example, Apple kicked everyone out of the kernel long time ago, whilst Microsoft is still dwelling on that.

Without solid controls, it becomes very difficult for users to obtain quality software.
The requirement is just "it needs to compile and work".

 

[Parkinsond]

It is a similar situation with Android

Linux need to be "anroided".
Some giant tech company, either software or hardware, adopt the OS, sponsor it generously, and development a good management protocol.
They need Google, they need Samsung, not less.

 

[Jonny Quest]

Linux need to be "anroided".
Some giant tech company, either software or hardware, adopt the OS, sponsor it generously, and development a good management protocol.
They need Google, they need Samsung, not less.

Which one, what flavor of Linux? This is where the debate could occur, as far as peoples favorites and which one to fully support and develop?

 

[Parkinsond]

Which one, what flavor of Linux? This is where the debate could occur, as far as peoples favorites and which one to fully support and develop?

The home user cares more about usability rather than flavor.
Those who are concerned of flavor are using it as ToyOS.

 

[Trident]

Linux need to be "anroided".
Some giant tech company, either software or hardware, adopt the OS, sponsor it generously, and development a good management protocol.
They need Google, they need Samsung, not less.

But Android is a conduit to sell devices.

Whilst for the laptops, you already have 2 other conduits: Windows and Chrome OS.

So developers and hardware manufacturers care about these two.

For example, it Adobe wants to charge you $20 a month, they will need to provide an app you can download under Chrome OS.

For Linux the calculation is: we need to appoint a team of professionals to adapt the C++ and so on to the Linux APIs. This team costs us X, the ROI will be Y. Y-X = insufficient amount to bother.

Hence a user that needs the Adobe software, just doesn’t install Linux.

It is similar with loads of other apps, drivers and use cases.

 

[Parkinsond]

Whilst for the laptops, you already have 2 other conduits: Windows and Chrome OS.

You know who is the proper candidate for sponsoring Linux? Lenovo.
Fighting American OS, fighting imperialism

 

[Trident]

You know who is the proper candidate for sponsoring Linux? Lenovo.
Fighting Amerian OS, fighting imperialism

Not really. The average user wants to press one button and everything lights up, working on its own.

You either deliver the solution where everything lights up with one button, or you will move from the top to the forgotten rock bottom very swiftly.

A lot of corporations have already been through it.

 

[Parkinsond]

Not really. The average user wants to press one button and everything lights up, working on its own.

You either deliver the solution where everything lights up with one button, or you will move from the top to the forgotten rock bottom very swiftly.

A lot of corporations have already been through it.

Lenovo, with their unlimited funding and wide distribution, can adopt Linux and make it comparable to Windows, sell PCs and Laptops with their own version of Linux pre-installed; they may call it LenOS.

 

[ForgottenSeer 123960]

This is a noteworthy observation from a single distribution.

Red Hat holds a dominant position in the corporate, enterprise-grade Linux market, with over 90% of Fortune 500 companies relying on its technologies. It is a market leader in paid Linux, with an estimated 32.7% share of worldwide server operating environments, second only to Microsoft. It is widely used for hybrid cloud, automation, and security in 174 countries.

Application Support
Over 85% of the top 50 Independent Software Vendors (ISVs) support Enterprise Linux, making it highly compatible with corporate applications

 

[Marko :)]

No one can stand microslop, but there are sadly no other mainstream alternatives. Linux will never replace windows because they can't get graphic drivers right for gaming.

I heard situation is now good with NVIDIA and that there are open source drivers which in some cases surpass NVIDIA's.

 

[Parkinsond]

 

[Zero Knowledge]

Never say never. PopOS is doing a great job, but it is not perfect. Let's hope Linux get better soon.

Never going to reach Windows maturity, it's just a fact the Linux graphics drivers lag behind.

I heard situation is now good with NVIDIA and that there are open source drivers which in some cases surpass NVIDIA's.

I don't think so, the one thing holding Linux back is gaming and they will never get it right unless MS converts Windows to Linux and makes it open source.