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I never understand this mindset. Just because it's nearly impossible to achieve total privacy, doesn't mean people shouldn't try to minimize the exposure.

What exposure?
- Did you personally get any bad repercussions (affecting your real life) because of so-called exposed privacy?
- Does any of your sensitive files being collected and used against you while using Google or MS products/sites?

Just by not using your real name/real email/real photo outside "verified" institutions is enough.

The only ones needing to do such "paranoid privacy" setup are criminals/activists, they need to hide their traces because they break the law.
Average Joe shouldn't.

Even people using dozen of illegal cracks and keygens aren't even slapped on their hands, so why people should be freaking out because Google collect some harmless datas about your online behavior?

It is strange that those online privacy paranoids are not doing the same in real life; imagine them going out wearing large coats, hoods and masks, walking close to the walls, digging secret tunnels so nobody knows where they go or they are from, using fake name/IDs when talking to people, etc...
would be funny...
 
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What exposure?
- Did you personally get any bad repercussions (affecting your real life) because of so-called exposed privacy?
- Does any of your sensitive files being collected and used against you while using Google or MS products/sites?

Just by not using your real name/real email/real photo outside "verified" institutions is enough.

The only ones needing to do such "paranoid privacy" setup are criminals/activists, they need to hide their traces because they break the law.
Average Joe shouldn't.

Even people using dozen of illegal cracks and keygens aren't even slapped on their hands, so why people should be freaking out because Google collect some harmless datas about your online behavior?

It is strange that those online privacy paranoids are not doing the same in real life; imagine them going out wearing large coats, hoods and masks, walking close to the walls, digging secret tunnels so nobody knows where they go or they are from, using fake name/IDs when talking to people, etc...
would be funny...

Yes exactly, even if I hate them because they collect data I use their services.
We should focus on security because that is more achievable and healthy. This is just my opinion :)
 

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What exposure?
- Did you personally get any bad repercussions (affecting your real life) because of so-called exposed privacy?
- Does any of your sensitive files being collected and used against you while using Google or MS products/sites?

Just by not using your real name/real email/real photo outside "verified" institutions is enough.

The only ones needing to do such "paranoid privacy" setup are criminals/activists, they need to hide their traces because they break the law.
Average Joe shouldn't.

Even people using dozen of illegal cracks and keygens aren't even slapped on their hands, so why people should be freaking out because Google collect some harmless datas about your online behavior?

Don Quichotte syndrome is strong in security forums...
This is not about repercussions or implication that might/could happens. Let me put it this way. If you're on the phone and a stranger come closer trying to listen to your conversation, would you be fine with that?

Privacy isn't about whether you have something to hide or not. If you can choose to protect it, then why would you give it away?
 
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Let me put it this way. If you're on the phone and a stranger come closer trying to listen to your conversation, would you be fine with that?
Nothing to do with what we are discussing now.
Average Joe can't get your online datas unless using criminal methods, then it is no more Privacy but Security.

What we are discussing here is people complaining and fighting against products/services/sites "analyzing" their datas.
In your example above, it should be "if you are on the phone, and your phone provider analyze your phone calls history, would you be fine with it?"
Of course you are ! they did since day one ! and you are even happy they do !

So is it normal that your bank or phone/internet provider can check your datas, but when you use Google or MS, they shouldn't...? Be realistic...

If you use a service/site, expect to loose some privacy to them, you are their "guest", they are gods in their house, on top of that they didn't even force you to subscribe to their service/sites.

Privacy isn't about whether you have something to hide or not. If you can choose to protect it, then why would you give it away?
You accepted being "observed" by using their service; if you are scared about privacy intrusion/data collection, don't use. Simple as that.
 
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This is not about repercussions or implication that might/could happens. Let me put it this way. If you're on the phone and a stranger come closer trying to listen to your conversation, would you be fine with that?
Allow me to help shed some light on a perspective that seems to be lost on you.

When you are on a phone, you are having a private conversation, only connected to one person. When you go onto the internet, you are not just connecting to one place, and it is very much like leaving the privacy of your home to venture out into public, matter of fact, that is exactly what you are doing. You can not leave your house and be in public without someone seeing what you are doing. If you live in a small town then you know this to be even more so.

You can not achieve true privacy on the internet without crippling your operating system, and i'm seriously waiting to hear what the point in that would be.

@Umbra is very correct when he stated you would be better off watching what you divulge vs using applications to ruin your experience and possibly your OS trying to achieve what you never will.
 

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Nothing to do with what we are discussing now.
Average Joe can't get your online datas unless using criminal methods, then it is no more Privacy but Security.

What we are discussing here is people complaining and fighting against products/services/sites "analyzing" their datas.
In your example above, it should be "if you are on the phone, and your phone provider analyze your phone calls history, would you be fine with it?"
Of course you are ! they did since day one ! and you are even happy they do !

So is it normal that your bank or phone/internet provider can check your datas, but when you use Google or MS, they shouldn't...? Be realistic...

If you use a service/site, expect to loose some privacy to them, you are their "guest", they are gods in their house, on top of that they didn't even force you to subscribe to their service/sites.


You accepted being "observed" by using their service; if you are scared about privacy intrusion/data collection, don't use. Simple as that.
Oh, I'm being realistic. In fact I already said, it's a choice. If you think that any of these efforts won't change anything, then so be it. I respect your opinion.

But please, you can't just shove away other people's perception regarding privacy. My point is simple. Each individual have different approach in online interaction and on how to protect their privacy. Maybe this particular browser isn't really useful for me or you. But you need to realize, there are people who never use any google products/service. And we got to respect their stance.
 

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Allow me to help shed some light on a perspective that seems to be lost on you.

When you are on a phone, you are having a private conversation, only connected to one person. When you go onto the internet, you are not just connecting to one place, and it is very much like leaving the privacy of your home to venture out into public, matter of fact, that is exactly what you are doing. You can not leave your house and be in public without someone seeing what you are doing. If you live in a small town then you know this to be even more so.

You can not achieve true privacy on the internet without crippling your operating system, and i'm seriously waiting to hear what the point in that would be.

@Umbra is very correct when he stated you would be better off watching what you divulge vs using applications to ruin your experience and possibly your OS trying to achieve what you never will.
Well, this topic isn't about operating system to begin with. It's just a browser with google's components removed from it.
 
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Is this an assumption or a fact? Does this browser cause any breakage or compatibility issues with websites?
-Is it assumption or fact that because they removed Google's services you will now have complete privacy.

-I'm stating that in order to achieve "true" privacy, you will break/corrupt your experience/websites/browser/and OS.

-I have always laughed at this anyway, because who started Chromium?

-Privacy is a myth, data mining is embedded into everything.
 

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-Is it assumption or fact that because they removed Google's services you will now have complete privacy.

-I'm stating that in order to achieve "true" privacy, you will break/corrupt your experience/websites/browser/and OS.

-I have always laughed at this anyway, because who started Chromium?

-Privacy is a myth, data mining is embedded into everything.

Who's talking about complete privacy? If you can be bothered to even read my initial comment then you'll see that I already acknowledged the fact that total privacy is nearly impossible to achieve.
 
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Who's talking about complete privacy?
Um, we all are in this thread about stripping "some" google services out of a browser.

If you can be bothered to even read my initial comment then you'll see that I already acknowledged the fact that total privacy is nearly impossible to achieve.
Once we move past facts and start directly attacking others with subtle provocations i will quit responding, i do not have time for this.

Even if you don't plan on associating a Google account with your Chromium browser, the browser still shelters a number of background services or features that communicate with Google servers

The bold underlined is what i was getting at, they do not remove all services, most of those services are designed as dual purpose, the other purpose being data mining tools, and that is only a tiny portion of how your data is being scooped.

So, i ask, what is the point of using this browser then.
 
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Um, we all are in this thread about stripping "some" google services out of a browser.
Then why did you made an assumption that this would give anyone a complete privacy?

Once we move past facts and start directly attacking others with subtle provocations i will quit responding, i do not have time for this.
I'm sorry if you felt that way. I was just trying to defend my self because you keep pushing narrative that I was suggesting this browser could give a complete privacy while in fact in my initial comment suggest otherwise. So, let's agree to move away from this and let's restart with a healthier discussion.

The bold underlined is what i was getting at, they do not remove all services, most of those services are designed as dual purpose, the other purpose being data mining tools, and that is only a tiny portion of how your data is being scooped.

So, i ask, what is the point of using this browser then.

That statement is about the base Chromium. not this fork. Like you said, Chromium is Google's project. By default of course it will have many Google's components/services. This Ungoogled Chromium project try to mitigate that by removing these Google related components.
 
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Then why did you made an assumption that this would give anyone a complete privacy?
This so called assumption you keep mentioning was derived by your statements, like expecting privacy of a phone call online, these were your own words.

I'm sorry if you felt that way. I was just trying to defend my self because you keep pushing narrative that I was suggesting this browser could give a complete privacy while in fact in my initial comment suggest otherwise. So, let's agree to move away from this and let's restart with a healthier discussion.
You did not need to defend yourself when all i was doing was pointing out that there is no such thing as privacy on the internet, and removing some of these services will certainly not give you any.

That statement is about the base Chromium. not this fork. Like you said, Chromium is Google's project. By default of course it will have many Google's components/services. This Ungoogled Chromium project try to mitigate that by removing these Google related components.
The statement was taken from the original post, from the product itself, so it certainly applies. They have removed some services but not all in this version. If they remove all services, i doubt the browser would function properly, just as if you disable google framework on android, you will not be able to update applications ect. Disabling all the services of an OS and browser, and website functions break things. Thus it is impossible to gain true privacy without causing corruption. Knowing this, there is no point in pursuing any applications that claim to give you privacy back.
 

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