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Hello guys!
help plase becouse need security solution for my gaming PC. Spec r9 7950x3d 64gb od ram and Rtx 5090. I need good protection and lightest as possible suit. Im thinking between Eset premium,McAfee total security or stay with Windows defender. What will be best?
Regards
 
If u obtain games only from legit sources and don't use hacks or cheats then defender is mostly fine.
But if want to spend money i will recommend McAfee as it felt lighter to me during gaming compared to ESET.
 
If u obtain games only from legit sources and don't use hacks or cheats then defender is mostly fine.
But if want to spend money i will recommend McAfee as it felt lighter to me during gaming compared to ESET.
I know people that download all kinds of crap from the internet, from pirated movies, TV shows to games and software. None of them has a paid AV, just Defender on default settings and their PC doesn't have malware, not even in traces. Worse... some of them doesn't even have ad blocker installed! Nightmare!

This theory of Microsoft Defender being bad simply isn't valid anymore; just because product was bad 10+ years ago, doesn't mean it still is. Though I wish Microsoft would change the name of Defender to get the stigma off it.

My advice to everyone is use Defender, use SmartScreen, use ad blocker, and for God's sake use that brain you have and chances of being infected will be 0. We're not in 2000s/2010s anymore when Microsoft never really cared about security.
 
I know people that download all kinds of crap from the internet, from pirated movies, TV shows to games and software. None of them has a paid AV, just Defender on default settings and their PC doesn't have malware, not even in traces. Worse... some of them doesn't even have ad blocker installed! Nightmare!

This theory of Microsoft Defender being bad simply isn't valid anymore; just because product was bad 10+ years ago, doesn't mean it still is. Though I wish Microsoft would change the name of Defender to get the stigma off it.

My advice to everyone is use Defender, use SmartScreen, use ad blocker, and for God's sake use that brain you have and chances of being infected will be 0. We're not in 2000s/2010s anymore when Microsoft never really cared about security.
I agree the only problem with defender right now is how easy it is to disable or add exception to it. Otherwise MD has a very bright future of eating the private AV market.
 
I agree the only problem with defender right now is how easy it is to disable or add exception to it. Otherwise MD has a very bright future of eating the private AV market.
If you enable tamper protection option, Defender isn't getting disabled.

All of those articles mentioning how security researchers were able to disable Defender using malware mention that they didn't have that option enabled. I wonder why... totally not to discredit MD. 🤔
How is Windows Security/Defender as far as gaming performance? I'm not a gamer, but do some of the 3rd party AV's help performance wise for gamers?
Can't say because I'm not gamer. I think there shouldn't be any issues for gamers too. Brother is a gamer, still on Windows 10 and has Defender on default settings. I never heard him complain about performance.
 
Hello guys!
help plase becouse need security solution for my gaming PC. Spec r9 7950x3d 64gb od ram and Rtx 5090. I need good protection and lightest as possible suit. Im thinking between Eset premium,McAfee total security or stay with Windows defender. What will be best?
Regards
IMO all three will give you good protection.
When it comes to AV lightness it's best to try them all and see what works best on your system.
On my system McAfee is lightest, then Eset, then MD.
 
If you enable tamper protection option, Defender isn't getting disabled.

All of those articles mentioning how security researchers were able to disable Defender using malware mention that they didn't have that option enabled. I wonder why... totally not to discredit MD. 🤔

Can't say because I'm not gamer. I think there shouldn't be any issues for gamers too. Brother is a gamer, still on Windows 10 and has Defender on default settings. I never heard him complain about performance.
u can bypass it with tamper protection enabled. POCs are available online and i have found in the wild in skidware to APT malware.
 
I know people that download all kinds of crap from the internet, from pirated movies, TV shows to games and software. None of them has a paid AV, just Defender on default settings and their PC doesn't have malware, not even in traces. Worse... some of them doesn't even have ad blocker installed! Nightmare!

This theory of Microsoft Defender being bad simply isn't valid anymore; just because product was bad 10+ years ago, doesn't mean it still is. Though I wish Microsoft would change the name of Defender to get the stigma off it.

My advice to everyone is use Defender, use SmartScreen, use ad blocker, and for God's sake use that brain you have and chances of being infected will be 0. We're not in 2000s/2010s anymore when Microsoft never really cared about security.
The issue with Defender is its lack of an application control module, think of it as it doesn't auto-block unknown and unsigned executables. This is where Kaspersky's app control module shines so bright. Let's say I accidentally download a RAT. A RAT requires talking to my and outside networks. The problem is, all unknown, unsigned executables are auto-blocked from talking to networks, so the RAT can't do what it's to do, in the first place. Application Control in an enterprise environment is extremely useful, but Windows' version is a pain to use. Kaspersky took it and made it into a much better product.
 
u can bypass it with tamper protection enabled. POCs are available online and i have found in the wild in skidware to APT malware.
Even if you can find them somewhere online, and even if they 100% work, the malware can be blocked by not giving it administrative rights. Also, you have to be really, REALLY lucky in order to randomly stumble upon that capable malware.

Remember how ransomware targeted everyone indiscriminately then became pretty much only issue for the businesses? Yeah, all that kind of malware doesn't target typical home users; it targets companies which is also the reason why you won't find normal home PCs heavily infected often.
The issue with Defender is its lack of an application control module, think of it as it doesn't auto-block unknown and unsigned executables. This is where Kaspersky's app control module shines so bright. Let's say I accidentally download a RAT. A RAT requires talking to my and outside networks. The problem is, all unknown, unsigned executables are auto-blocked from talking to networks, so the RAT can't do what it's to do, in the first place. Application Control in an enterprise environment is extremely useful, but Windows' version is a pain to use. Kaspersky took it and made it into a much better product.
The problem with Kaspersky and other 3rd party AV software in general is it deeply integrates into the system. We saw multiple cases where that caused A LOT of issues. We had PCs not being able to update, we saw PCs crashing, we even saw making PCs more vulnerable with antivirus software being full of security vulnerabilities. Remember when CrowdStrike crashed PCs everywhere so much everything was paralyzed? Yeah, this is just one of the example.

Microsoft develops both Windows and Defender and because of this they can guarantee Defender will work 100% and won't cause any issues or incompatibility. Kaspersky nor any other security company can't guarantee you they'll provide absolute protection and they certainly can't guarantee that their issue won't cause any issues.

The more you rely on 3rd party software, the more vulnerabilities you open. Every software has bugs, some less, some more. But not every software goes deep like antivirus software. And when you have 3rd party software (which has bugs) and integrate it deep into system, this is where problems start.
 
Even if you can find them somewhere online, and even if they 100% work, the malware can be blocked by not giving it administrative rights. Also, you have to be really, REALLY lucky in order to randomly stumble upon that capable malware.

Remember how ransomware targeted everyone indiscriminately then became pretty much only issue for the businesses? Yeah, all that kind of malware doesn't target typical home users; it targets companies which is also the reason why you won't find normal home PCs heavily infected often.

The problem with Kaspersky and other 3rd party AV software in general is it deeply integrates into the system. We saw multiple cases where that caused A LOT of issues. We had PCs not being able to update, we saw PCs crashing, we even saw making PCs more vulnerable with antivirus software being full of security vulnerabilities. Remember when CrowdStrike crashed PCs everywhere so much everything was paralyzed? Yeah, this is just one of the example.

Microsoft develops both Windows and Defender and because of this they can guarantee Defender will work 100% and won't cause any issues or incompatibility. Kaspersky nor any other security company can't guarantee you they'll provide absolute protection and they certainly can't guarantee that their issue won't cause any issues.

The more you rely on 3rd party software, the more vulnerabilities you open. Every software has bugs, some less, some more. But not every software goes deep like antivirus software. And when you have 3rd party software (which has bugs) and integrate it deep into system, this is where problems start.
And Microsoft Defender didn’t have vulnerabilities historically?
Google these:
CVE-2025-10035
CVE-2025-53808
CVE-2025-54104
CVE-2025-54109
CVE-2025-54915
CVE-2024-21322
CVE-2024-21323
CVE-2024-29053
CVE-2025-26684
CVE-2024-20671

Or issues
1. High CPU and Disk Usage (MsMpEng.exe)


The "Antimalware Service Executable" (MsMpEng.exe) is notorious for consuming significant system resources. This is often because the process is scanning itself or running a particularly intensive scan.


• Dell Support Article: This official Dell support page directly addresses the issue of MsMpEng.exe causing 100% hard drive and CPU usage. It explains that the cause is often the scan getting stuck on certain files and provides multiple solutions, such as excluding the Defender folder from its own scans or setting CPU affinity.


How To Resolve High hard drive and CPU Usage with Windows Defender Scans


• Technical How-To Guide: This article from freeCodeCamp explains what the MsMpEng.exe process is and why it can lead to high resource consumption, validating the common user experience of system slowdowns.


What is msmpeng.exe? Why is it High CPU Disk Usage?


2. False Positives Flagging Legitimate Software


Defender has a history of incorrectly identifying safe and legitimate files as malicious, a "false positive." This can disrupt workflows by quarantining necessary application files or even system components.


• Microsoft's Own Documentation: This page from Microsoft Learn is dedicated to addressing false positives within Defender for Endpoint. It acknowledges that these events occur and provides administrators with the steps to classify and suppress incorrect alerts.


Address false positives/negatives in Microsoft Defender for Endpoint


• Reddit Discussion (Sysadmin): This recent thread on the r/sysadmin subreddit shows a real-world example where multiple IT professionals experienced a wave of false positives from Microsoft Defender for Office, where it began flagging legitimate URLs as malicious, causing widespread issues.


Microsoft Defender for office: A potentially malicious URL click was detected - Since an hour we receive a lot of False positives!


3. Faulty Security Intelligence Updates


The very updates designed to keep Defender effective can sometimes be the source of the problem, either by failing to install correctly or by introducing instability.


• Troubleshooting Guide: This article details common causes for "Security Intelligence Update Failed" errors, including corrupted system files and issues with the Windows Update service, confirming that update failures are a recognized problem.


Security Intelligence Update For Windows Defender Antivirus Failed


• Microsoft Learn Troubleshooting Page: This official Microsoft document provides solutions for when Defender's security intelligence fails to update. It outlines potential causes like network configuration issues or disabled services, showing it's a known issue with documented fixes.


Troubleshoot Microsoft Defender Antivirus Security intelligence not getting updated


4. Scheduled Scans Failing or Getting Stuck


Users frequently report that scans they have scheduled either don't run as intended or hang during operation, leaving a question mark over the system's state of protection.


• Microsoft Learn - Troubleshooting Scans: While focused on troubleshooting, this official document implicitly acknowledges that scans can fail to run as expected. It details policy settings for "catch-up scans," which are specifically designed to run if a scheduled scan was missed—proving that missing scans is an anticipated problem.


Troubleshoot Microsoft Defender Antivirus scan issues


• Microsoft Q&A Forum: A user on Microsoft's own support forum reports a scheduled task for Windows Defender not working, showing a specific instance of this bug being discussed and troubleshooted within the community.


Windows Defender scheduled task not working on Windows 10


5. Interference and Performance Bottlenecks


For tech-savvy users, one of the most frustrating issues is when the security software interferes with high-performance tasks like software development, compiling code, or running virtual machines.


• Microsoft Developer Community: A software developer reports directly on the Visual Studio Developer Community forum that the "Microsoft Defender Antivirus Service" is slowing down the loading and compiling of solutions, even when exclusions are in place.


Microsoft Defender Antivirus Service Slowing Down Visual Studio


• Microsoft Q&A Discussion: In this thread, a user provides tangible evidence of extreme slowdowns. They timed a project build with real-time protection on and off, showing the build time jumping from 4 seconds to a staggering 86 seconds with Defender active.


Windows Defender Real Time Protection Service slowing down file access

Defender with a few ASR rules is ok, but considering how cheap you can find other AVs, the “use Defender” drama and the fallacy around it (Microsoft makes both so they know best, Defender is not vulnerable, Defender is the most stable) is not really needed.
 
help plase becouse need security solution for my gaming PC.
Stop downloading and executing software/game cracks, cheat codes, and warez and you won't have such a security concern.

MD has a very bright future of eating the private AV market.
Microsoft already holds hostage more than 51% of the AV market. That makes it the de facto AV market.
 
McAfee, ESET, and Microsoft Defender are also the lightest on my system, in that order. I do some minor gaming, nothing crazy. Kaspersky likewise gave me a smooth, stable experience for years—it's not far off for lightness and provides excellent security.

McAfee is one of the very cheapest third party antiviruses if you find the right reseller.