What is "reality"?

[bribon77]

Many scientists think that chimpanzees an dolphins have got some kinds of mind, but there could be a problem to say that they have got souls, too.

Animals also have soul, the soul is the settlement of emotions. Animals feel, rejoice, cry and laugh. what differentiates us is that Humans have the ability to reason ( Some)

 

[Nestor]

A matrix created originally by aliens as it's been proven on Ancient Aliens!

 

[oldschool]

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He's my favorite crazy person! And these guys make a living out of this stuff?

 

[Andy Ful]

Everything is a creation of mind. The gross mind perceives things like tables, sunsets, rainbows, etc. But these things do not exist in the way that they appear. My "table" is not the same as your "table". There is no such "thing" as color. Color does not exist anywhere, it is merely light waves which are perceived by the eye via the eye sense power > and then my gross mind perceives a color, such as blue.

Everything we experience can only be experienced by mind. But, the "things" we experience are only "real" in the sense that we agree about the name for something. Thus, we call a table by that name - even though my experience of "table" is different than yours. All things "exist" in this way. We can even say the things we normally perceive do not exist at all, because if we search for them they can not be found, e.g. the "real" color. If we look for a rainbow, go searching for it, it disappears. All things "exist" in this way.

Even mind exists in this way. When we sleep, our subtle mind may dream a beautiful dream, but when we wake it is gone and we again perceive things with our gross mind. We also have a very subtle mind, which we can call our heart (and which we could also call our "soul"). We may access our very subtle mind through prayer or contemplation, but we definitely can realize it through meditation. The very subtle mind also manifests at the time of death. Understanding the nature of mind, its functions, etc. is the supreme method for knowing "reality". :emoji_pray::notworthy:

If the creations of mind are not related to some objective reality, then you are close to Solipsism.
If the creations of mind are related to some objective reality, then we still do not know what is reality.
As we know, there are many people who think that the reality is objective, and does not depend on any mind. They, for example, think that the early Universe was real even when there was no life at all.
There are many ideas of what is reality. I know people who think that mathematical objects are real.

 

[Andy Ful]

All animals have minds, but not human minds. Chimps, dolphins and elephants have more "developed" minds than ants, roaches, etc.. All living beings experience things, especially suffering. This commonality of suffering is what connects humans to all other living beings. It is also why we humans should take heed of the consequences of our actions.

What about souls?

 

[Andy Ful]

Then we can agree, reality as one doesn't exist. To define reality we must then understand everybody has its own reality, therefore there may exist different realities to a single fact/thing.

Not necessarily. There still can be a hidden objective reality, and our creations of mind can be related to it.

 

[Andy Ful]

Animals also have soul, the soul is the settlement of emotions. Animals feel, rejoice, cry and laugh. what differentiates us is that Humans have the ability to reason ( Some)

If animals have the soul, then they can belive in the (animal) GOD, too.
Are you sure that dolphins have not got the ability to reason?

 

[oldschool]

What about souls?

Well, if we say that "soul" = "very subtle mind", then I think we can say that both animals and humans have them because all are subject to death. The very important difference is that animals have no opportunity to "know" or "realize" their very subtle mind or soul while alive, but only during the death process. Humans, OTOH, have this opportunity. Few make use of it!

If animals have the soul, then they can belive in the (animal) GOD, too.
Are you sure that dolphins have not got the ability to reason?

I think the evidence is building that some higher animals have something very close to reason, or limited reason. Definitely a range of emotions, e.g. gorillas learning sign language, elephants returning to the death place of their family, etc.

 

[bribon77]

If animals have the soul, then they can belive in the (animal) GOD, too.
Are you sure that dolphins have not got the ability to reason?

They have a soul but they do not have a spirit, the human being if they have a spirit. In ternimos Religious GOD I do not Blow his Spirit in the Animals if not that I create them. And if I breathe his spirit into Man.

 

[SumTingWong]

My reality is delusional. Depression, anxiety, potato life and broke.

 

[bribon77]

If animals have the soul, then they can belive in the (animal) GOD, too.
Are you sure that dolphins have not got the ability to reason?

What is to reason, is to admit that I was wrong, in that sense I do not think that animals have that ability

 

[oldschool]

is to reason, is to admit that I was wrong, in that sense I do not think that animals have that ability

Very well put! I think there are many questions we cannot answer and mysteries we cannot conceive of. Maybe we cannot or will not know more until we die - or after death. Even to admit we are (or were) wrong!

 

[Nestor]

Very well put! I think there are many questions we cannot answer and mysteries we cannot conceive of. Maybe we cannot or will not know more until we die - or after death. Even to admit we are (or were) wrong!

The most scary thing is that if there is nothing after death,all we do,all our life is useless if you think deeply.It's like you shut down a TV.

 

[RoboMan]

If animals have the soul, then they can belive in the (animal) GOD, too.
Are you sure that dolphins have not got the ability to reason?

I think we're using an incorrect definition of soul. Faith, believing in some power above us, does not come from our soul, but our brain, still I think you already know this. What we call soul is just energy that flows through our matter, ruler of everything that exist. Scientists call this energy, and it's everywhere, not only on humans. Religious people call it God, maybe God's work. It's still the same, named different. I do not think animals have a brain develped enough to think about anything beyond their current state.

My reality is delusional. Depression, anxiety, potato life and broke.

Are you alright mate? Can't tell if you're serious but my PM's are always open! Been there, done that.

 

[Andy Ful]

They have a soul but they do not have a spirit, the human being if they have a spirit. In ternimos Religious GOD I do not Blow his Spirit in the Animals if not that I create them. And if I breathe his spirit into Man.

Is spirit a part of reality?

 

[Andy Ful]

The most scary thing is that if there is nothing after death,all we do,all our life is useless if you think deeply.It's like you shut down a TV.

It is not as bad. You leave a part of yourself in some people you interact with.
You can also have children, write books, and post to MT.

 

[oldschool]

You can also have children, write books, and post to MT.

H_C thread will outlive all of us!

 

[Nestor]

It is not as bad. You leave a part of yourself in some people you interact with.
You can also have children, write books, and post to MT.

They will also die.But posts to MT will stay to eternity

 

[Andy Ful]

I do not think animals have a brain develped enough to think about anything beyond their current state.
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I am not so sure. There are some exceptional events, like mother orka "who" escorts her dead child for some days.
The Dolphins have a very complex and well developed brain.

 

[oldschool]

I am not so sure. There are some exceptional events, like mother orka "who" escorts her dead child for some days.
The Dolphins have a very complex and well developed brain.

I agree. The train of elephants who return to the places where others have died. It is a funeral/memorial procession!