Andy Ful

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I think we're using an incorrect definition of soul. Faith, believing in some power above us, does not come from our soul, but our brain, still I think you already know this.
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Many people think that the mind is related to the brain, and the soul is not.
But, the religion and faith, still may come from the soul (unconsciously), and next they can be simply perceived and analyzed by the mind.
 

show-Zi

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Play a baseball game. The winning team is delighted and the loser is frustrated. Both pleasure and remorse are 'real,' but the only real that can be objectively communicated is that there was a baseball game. It is several 'real' that is there.
 

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Stop blaming aliens for everything.. they'll get offended... :alien:

On the topic of reality nobody can actually know what it is.. Our senses are incomplete, part of our visual field is created in the brain to compensate for a bug in our vision that creates a blind spot more or less in the middle of our visual field, etc...
 
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Andy Ful

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Play a baseball game. The winning team is delighted and the loser is frustrated. Both pleasure and remorse are 'real,' but the only real that can be objectively communicated is that there was a baseball game. It is several 'real' that is there.
If one would perform the psychological tests, then the emotions of both teams could be measured. I think that euphoria and frustration can also leave different traces in the brain. So, one could say that they were real and can be objectively communicated (from psychological point of view).
 

Andy Ful

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Stop blaming aliens for everything.. they'll get offended... :alien:

On the topic of reality nobody can actually know what it is.. Our senses are incomplete, part our visual field is created in the brain to compensate for a bug in our vision that creates a blind spot more or less in the middle of our visual field, etc...
It seems that a man is only an interacting part of the Universe. It is impossible for any part of the Universe to get complete information about the whole Universe. But, I am not sure if this fact can prevent to know something about reality.:alien:;)
In fact, many people listen to the music, even without the perfect pitch.
 

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So, one could say that they were real and can be objectively communicated (from psychological point of view).
One could also say that what we perceive to be our "real" experience is simply: "that which is known by mind". Feelings, thoughts, emotions, are all experiences, which are effects of previous causes and conditions. And these causes are likewise the results of previous actions. Thus we have the chain of cause and effects, or karma. And only the person themselves can experience the effects of their karma. No one else can do this for them. But our actions have effects on others as well ourselves. That is why sages have always cautioned about watching our intention. In fact, the concise definition of karma is intention, or mental action.
 

mlnevese

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It seems that a man is only an interacting part of the Universe. It is impossible for any part of the Universe to get complete information about the whole Universe. But, I am not sure if this fact can prevent to know something about reality.:alien:;)
In fact, many people listen to the music, even without the perfect pitch.
We can know what our flawed senses can translate to our minds. Physics and math can show us aspects of reality that aren't obvious. But I don't think we can understand any complex system being a part of it.

Let's remember that we don't actually remember fact but an interpretation of what our senses showed us with a tint of our emotional bias. To truly understand reality we would have to be objective and we aren't.
 

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But I don't think we can understand any complex system being a part of it.
Maybe you've come the closest to nailing it so far. We can't grasp the concept of true reality simply because it's not humanly possible. We can only interpret our subjective versions of it thru our flawed brains and therefore, our senses. And hope that our fellow citizens support us with their like-minded interpretations.