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Marko :)

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I tried these DNS servers.
That was the ping.
Cloudflare 8,27
Google 11,81
Next 13,48
Adguard 23,95
I liked NextDNS because of the ad blocking.
But it's like they don't develop it.
Adguard has a higher ping value.This value is high?
Which one should I use? (Chrome-android-DOH)
Never look at the ping as the only factor contributing to DNS server speed. Another major factor is response time of that DNS server. You could have 1 ms ping to Google's Public DNS and have it resolve domains slower than any other DNS server on the list.

If you want to know which DNS server is the fastest for you, use this tool.
 

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Never look at the ping as the only factor contributing to DNS server speed. Another major factor is response time of that DNS server. You could have 1 ms ping to Google's Public DNS and have it resolve domains slower than any other DNS server on the list.

If you want to know which DNS server is the fastest for you, use this tool.
Let's take a look at the test.
How do I see which one is best for me?
 

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None. It will just juice your battery for nothing.

Want security on Android?

1. Install ad blocker
2. Turn on Google Play Protect
3. Regularly update your apps and Android OS
4. Install only popular apps you trust and from trusted sources (Google Play, F-Droid, APKMirror,...)
5. Don't open suspicious links in messages or e-mails
I agree with all the security tips you provided, but about the battery draining, I'm not sure you have updated information.

For example, I use the premium version of Kaspersky, which includes real time protection.

The "normal" mode which scans apps only, at the end of the day consumes less than 1% of the total battery.
The "paranoid" mode which scanns apps and the actions of files with apps, consumes slightly less than 2% of the total battery.

These percentages, given the fact that the antivirus provides comprehensive real time protection, scanning, and web protection, is ridiculously low.

This applies at least for all the major brands, like Norton, ESET, Kaspersky, etc.
 

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I personally use Bitdefender Mobile Antivirus, because it seems to get rave reviews on Android. But more importantly it's as cheap as 0.5$ a year on Android.
 

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I agree with all the security tips you provided, but about the battery draining, I'm not sure you have updated information.

For example, I use the premium version of Kaspersky, which includes real time protection.

The "normal" mode which scans apps only, at the end of the day consumes less than 1% of the total battery.
The "paranoid" mode which scanns apps and the actions of files with apps, consumes slightly less than 2% of the total battery.

These percentages, given the fact that the antivirus provides comprehensive real time protection, scanning, and web protection, is ridiculously low.

This applies at least for all the major brands, like Norton, ESET, Kaspersky, etc.
It still uses battery. Doesn't matter if it's just 1% or 2%, it's still too much for an app that all it does is literally advertise its premium products.
If you have other useless apps installed and they too use up to 2%, combined, it could be a lot of battery drained down the sewage.

Antivirus apps on Android are useless and the sooner people realize this, the better.
Let's take a look at the test.
How do I see which one is best for me?
Launch the app and start the test. When test finishes, the ones at the top are fastest.
 
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Please explain why.
Because of how Android works; it's just too restricted for any antivirus app to do something useful. Take a look at antivirus software for Windows. When you install it, it integrates deep in the OS itself, right? During installation, it installs bunch of drivers required for antivirus software to work. It's so powerful it can do anything it wants, heck, even delete system files. Antivirus software on Windows has total freedom to do whatever it wants.

Now look at Android; every antivirus app has just basic permission and cannot integrate deep in the OS. In the other words, antivirus apps have same amount of permission as any other app. Because of this, they are unable to do anything. Can't scan entire Android storage, can't manipulate the apps or do anything without your special permission, can't track app activity to see if the app is actually malicious, can't prevent the app from doing any harm and even if app is really infected, all it can do is say "please uninstall this app, it's malicious".

Real-time protection is just plain useless. All it does in the background is constantly check apps installed by user which were already "scanned" before installation. It makes no sense to scan already installed apps over and over again, but here we are. The only thing that actually works would be browsing protection, but again, your browser already has one built-in. And you don't need an app for warning you and blocking malicious websites and apps; you can just change the DNS and you get exact the same experience without 2% battery drain.

Have you ever wondered why all antivirus apps on Android are bundled with million other "features" and the protection is like 10% of it? People need a reason to install an app, so how do you make them do it? Easy; convince them they need it (everything in the name of security), just add bunch of features in it, they don't even have to do anything with malware itself, fill it with junk and make user believe it needs that bullsh*t to stay protected when in fact it doesn't. Their job is to make you spend more on features you don't need. They are aware antivirus apps on Android are useless and that's why pretty much why almost all of them are free except few.

Since you have mentioned Kaspersky, I was interested to see what protection "modules" it has. Sure, there's real-time protection which I described above, browsing protection – fair point.
But "secure QR code scanner", "where is my device?", "safe messaging", "password manager", "VPN", "social privacy", "unused app cleanup", "data leak checker", "apps permission manager", "app lock", "identity protection wallet"?! More than half of these Android has built-in! Do you see my point? 🤣

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Alright, we covered fake antivirus apps for Android, now let's cover the malware and what it really is.

Can malicious Android app damage Android installation on device? It can't.
Can malicious Android app encrypt all file and data on device? It can't.
Can malicious Android app remove your files in the background without your knowledge? No. Well, unless you explicitly allow it to access your data and to work in the background.
Can malicious Android app install itself or other apps? Nope, not anymore.
Can Android malware be in any other format other than .apk? Nope.

What do you get from this? Android "malware" can't do anything because it doesn't have access to anything. In the past, apps didn't need the permission to do damage. An app could literally manipulate all of your messages, do background calls making your bills high, show you ads throughout Android, access all your photo, video, files without you knowing and bunch of other things. It's 2024 and Android changed drastically. Now malware can't do anything without your explicit permission. Even if you gave it, Google made Android so restricted (in a good sense) that malicious apps can't do more than half of what they could in the past.

And this is exact reason why you don't need an antivirus app. First, you have one already built-in (Google Play Protect). Second, Android "malware" can barely do any damage. Third, antivirus app are everything just not what they claim to be.
It mostly depend on user's habits. I install a multitude of apps outside of Playstore and I also use banking services on mobile. An antivirus (preferably cheap or free) is a must for me.
I install apps outside of Play Store, some of that modded from Android forums and have two banking apps installed. The malicious apps can do as much damage as you allow them to do so. How can I still be safe with that?

My secrets:
  1. Never rooting a device.
  2. Downloading only from reputable websites, forums and developers.
  3. Always having ad blocker with DNS protection (so you don't tap the wrong download button 😉).
  4. Don't give apps all permissions, only bare minimum for it to function. Yeah, that's right, the game you downloaded doesn't really need an access to camera, microphone, location and your text messages.
I really investigated the malware scene on Android, and what I wrote are my conclusions. Windows is another story because apps can do whatever they want, but not on Android.

P.S. I used to have antivirus on Android installed in the past. It was just necessary as Android was more open, almost to a degree Windows is.
 
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Advanced users can live without antivirus, no doubt about it but everyone makes mistakes
and if you have family members, expecially kids or elders i just dont bother fixing their devices all day long, i have better stuff to do
I rather have adblocker; adguard, DNS; reputable family filter or service like NextDNS and antivirus installed on every family device
On kids devices family link will do most, but when teens get their hands on browser i wanna make sure that there is some kind of family filter, web filter for phishing and somekind of protection against malware, even its ME myself who gets to accept the apps they install

I dont see battery draining as valid reason to skip antivirus on android, if you can pay atleast 200$ for a phone nowadays
 

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Advanced users can live without antivirus, no doubt about it but everyone makes mistakes
and if you have family members, expecially kids or elders i just dont bother fixing their devices all day long, i have better stuff to do
I have family members that aren't good with technology. None have antivirus installed on their phones. Why? Because in order to "infect" Android device you have to download and install malicious .apk file. And to do that, you have to go deep into the settings and find an option that would allow you to install that file. Even then, your phone will warn you about possible consequences and that's where everyone should get scared and give up. Those family members like an average Android user, rarely go to settings and never download apks from web; they don't even know what apk file is.

No antivirus will help you with keeping device in shape. To keep device in shape, you need updates and cleaning your device regularly from apps you don't need/or use. That's it.
I rather have adblocker; adguard, DNS; reputable family filter or service like NextDNS and antivirus installed on every family device
I can understand ad blocker, and DNS filters. But I really cannot understand antivirus here. Can you go to the antivirus logger and see what it was doing until now?
On kids devices family link will do most, but when teens get their hands on browser i wanna make sure that there is some kind of family filter, web filter for phishing and somekind of protection against malware, even its ME myself who gets to accept the apps they install

I dont see battery draining as valid reason to skip antivirus on android, if you can pay atleast 200$ for a phone nowadays
Family Link + ad blocker + good parental control DNS filter is pretty much all you need.

Alright, even if battery drain isn't a reason for uninstalling app, would data collection be a valid reason? All antivirus companies spy on their users, collecting bunch of data about them. And if that's not the reason for uninstalling, why would you keep an app on your device that does nothing except collect data about your device usage?
 

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I have family members that aren't good with technology. None have antivirus installed on their phones. Why? Because in order to "infect" Android device you have to download and install malicious .apk file. And to do that, you have to go deep into the settings and find an option that would allow you to install that file. Even then, your phone will warn you about possible consequences and that's where everyone should get scared and give up. Those family members like an average Android user, rarely go to settings and never download apks from web; they don't even know what apk file is.

No antivirus will help you with keeping device in shape. To keep device in shape, you need updates and cleaning your device regularly from apps you don't need/or use. That's it.

I can understand ad blocker, and DNS filters. But I really cannot understand antivirus here. Can you go to the antivirus logger and see what it was doing until now?

Family Link + ad blocker + good parental control DNS filter is pretty much all you need.

Alright, even if battery drain isn't a reason for uninstalling app, would data collection be a valid reason? All antivirus companies spy on their users, collecting bunch of data about them. And if that's not the reason for uninstalling, why would you keep an app on your device that does nothing except collect data about your device usage?
Im not worried about malware, just about phishing in devices that ''elders'' uses. Sure NextDNS can handle phishing protection better than any antivirus in my opinion but i just tend to pay for main antivirus on desktop and then use the remaining licenses on family devices

About privacy, i dont mind any app collectin data about me, i dont install many apps or use social media at all so i have limited my app usage to minimal already. After all im using google device/ microsoft device that will collect alot data aswell

I was writing about myself , so just use anything that fits for you
 

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Because of how Android works; it's just too restricted for any antivirus app to do something useful. Take a look at antivirus software for Windows. When you install it, it integrates deep in the OS itself, right? During installation, it installs bunch of drivers required for antivirus software to work. It's so powerful it can do anything it wants, heck, even delete system files. Antivirus software on Windows has total freedom to do whatever it wants.

Now look at Android; every antivirus app has just basic permission and cannot integrate deep in the OS. In the other words, antivirus apps have same amount of permission as any other app. Because of this, they are unable to do anything. Can't scan entire Android storage, can't manipulate the apps or do anything without your special permission, can't track app activity to see if the app is actually malicious, can't prevent the app from doing any harm and even if app is really infected, all it can do is say "please uninstall this app, it's malicious".

Real-time protection is just plain useless. All it does in the background is constantly check apps installed by user which were already "scanned" before installation. It makes no sense to scan already installed apps over and over again, but here we are. The only thing that actually works would be browsing protection, but again, your browser already has one built-in. And you don't need an app for warning you and blocking malicious websites and apps; you can just change the DNS and you get exact the same experience without 2% battery drain.

Have you ever wondered why all antivirus apps on Android are bundled with million other "features" and the protection is like 10% of it? People need a reason to install an app, so how do you make them do it? Easy; convince them they need it (everything in the name of security), just add bunch of features in it, they don't even have to do anything with malware itself, fill it with junk and make user believe it needs that bullsh*t to stay protected when in fact it doesn't. Their job is to make you spend more on features you don't need. They are aware antivirus apps on Android are useless and that's why pretty much why almost all of them are free except few.

Since you have mentioned Kaspersky, I was interested to see what protection "modules" it has. Sure, there's real-time protection which I described above, browsing protection – fair point.
But "secure QR code scanner", "where is my device?", "safe messaging", "password manager", "VPN", "social privacy", "unused app cleanup", "data leak checker", "apps permission manager", "app lock", "identity protection wallet"?! More than half of these Android has built-in! Do you see my point? 🤣

—————————————————————

Alright, we covered fake antivirus apps for Android, now let's cover the malware and what it really is.

Can malicious Android app damage Android installation on device? It can't.
Can malicious Android app encrypt all file and data on device? It can't.
Can malicious Android app remove your files in the background without your knowledge? No. Well, unless you explicitly allow it to access your data and to work in the background.
Can malicious Android app install itself or other apps? Nope, not anymore.
Can Android malware be in any other format other than .apk? Nope.

What do you get from this? Android "malware" can't do anything because it doesn't have access to anything. In the past, apps didn't need the permission to do damage. An app could literally manipulate all of your messages, do background calls making your bills high, show you ads throughout Android, access all your photo, video, files without you knowing and bunch of other things. It's 2024 and Android changed drastically. Now malware can't do anything without your explicit permission. Even if you gave it, Google made Android so restricted (in a good sense) that malicious apps can't do more than half of what they could in the past.

And this is exact reason why you don't need an antivirus app. First, you have one already built-in (Google Play Protect). Second, Android "malware" can barely do any damage. Third, antivirus app are everything just not what they claim to be.
Thanks for your input. It's very rich and full of valuable information.

I'm gonna disagree on one main point. You claim antivirus on Android only scans installed apps and that's all for real time protection. Nevertheless, Kaspersky (which I mentioned I use), offers an "extended mode" of the real time protection, which scans all device files for malicious objects when any operation is performed with them (for example, when they are saved, moved, or modified). It scans the behaviour of applications with files.

As well, I'm gonna disagree with your argument that Android already offers an antivirus protection and that's enough. It's not. It's periodically rated as the worst protection for Android.

Also, I wouldn't diminish browsing protection. Some antivirus for Android offer solid anti phishing, malvertising and general browsing security. I agree most of these can be covered by a good ad blockers and DNS, but a good cloud network as KSN (Kaspersky Security Network) can add more to the table.

At the end of the day, we can agree Android as an OS has become a much more secure OS, if we compare Android 14 to Android 6. This shouldn't mean a user can't sacrifice 2% of his battery for an extra security layer. In my case, even with an antivirus installed on "paranoid mode", I still manage to reach the end of the day with over 30% of battery available.

Nevertheless, you mentioned several good points that confirm that general users who are careful with their habits don't need an antivirus on Android. In my case, I'm happy to use it.
 

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Could we discuss the DNS options for Android more? With a view toward both security and speed...

I have a T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy A13 with 32 GB storage. I just discovered the Safe Browsing on preinstalled McAfee Mobile Security was disabled. Upon enabling it I found that webpage loading slowed to a crawl and I even had an email I sent to myself for my computer get stuck in the Outbox. I use Chrome (reluctantly till I find the right replacement; Safe Browsing on} and Samsung Internet ("Warn about malicious sites" and "Block automatic downloads" enabled). I haven't installed apps outside of the Play Store.

My thanks to the contributors on this thread. Very helpful, looks like I probably don't need my own thread.
 
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Could we discuss the DNS options for Android more? With a view toward both security and speed...

I have a T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy A13 with 32 GB storage. I just discovered the Safe Browsing on preinstalled McAfee Mobile Security was disabled. Upon enabling it I found that webpage loading slowed to a crawl and I even had an email I sent to myself for my computer get stuck in the Outbox. I use Chrome (reluctantly till I find the right replacement; Safe Browsing on} and Samsung Internet ("Warn about malicious sites" and "Block automatic downloads" enabled). I haven't installed apps outside of the Play Store.

My thanks to the contributors on this thread. Very helpful, looks like I probably don't need my own thread.
Sounds like adguard isnt option for you, i would go with brave browser ( built in adblocking ) or firefox beta + ublock origin/adguard extension ( since stable is less private/secure )

And since you dont want antivirus to slowdown your phone, just go with dns like NextDNS or ControlD, dont bother with adguard its not that good even the price is low.

i think myself that NextDNS is the best option, and the yearly costs is around 20 usd a year
If you want to use Controld Its little more expensive , like 40 usd a year but you can still grab 5 year controld license for like 35-50 usd from stacksocial

I used adguard on my android device that had android 8 and it worked like charm
 

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Sounds like adguard isnt option for you, i would go with brave browser ( built in adblocking ) or firefox beta + ublock origin/adguard extension ( since stable is less private/secure )

And since you dont want antivirus to slowdown your phone, just go with dns like NextDNS or ControlD, dont bother with adguard its not that good even the price is low.

i think myself that NextDNS is the best option, and the yearly costs is around 20 usd a year
If you want to use Controld Its little more expensive , like 40 usd a year but you can still grab 5 year controld license for like 35-50 usd from stacksocial

I used adguard on my android device that had android 8 and it worked like charm
What do you think about NetGuard? Would that be pretty heavy?
 
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I have started using Android phone from the year 2010 with an LG Optimus one p500. If I remember correctly it was using "froyo" ( android 2.2) as it's os. I still remember rooting and over-clocking my device. But with time and with every incrementing Android version the usefulness of rooting and over clocking reduced considerably. The one reason I used rooting was to get new android version and it's new features. Now that I don't see any use case to root your device. You receive atleast two or three major Android versions, after that you anyway dumps your device and gets a new one. Newer versions of Android does not bring any drastic feature updates, every thing is almost the same as that in the previous year. So there is not much of an excitement left in Android spce to get the new version. Apart from that with every new version android has become more locked down, more restrictive and more secure. Now with some phones you can't even unlock the bootloader. So whatever goes wrong with respect to malicious apps on your device, you can fix it with a complete reset. So you only need to secure your financial data from getting stolen. That can be done by just using a secure dns over tls and also by not installing unknown or unrated apps. So I don't see a use case for antivirus apps as is rightly pointed out by other members. Save your money and use it on something more useful.
 
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As stated already in a previous post, I prefer a VPN over antivirus for my android any day. It allows me to force all traffic through encryption and kill switch, I have ad, tracker, malware, phishing protection system wide. My ip is spoofed from websites, I have the VPN server between me and the Internet. Storing passwords and what I divulge my only concerns in which I have both covered as well.

I also limit what's on my device, using my laptop for applications and discovery in which it also utilizes the same VPN.

If I'm going to add any extra drain on my system using security I prefer this as to an antivirus.
 

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