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[Trident]

who feels very important:

Once again, I just wake up and I’m being honoured in your posts, not even once, but twice. Not sure how else to interpret it.

Then why don't you do it?

Had a great weekend, now time to focus on things that matter to me. Your ranting doesn’t. Sorry.

Ad-hominems!

Yep, you don’t like to read the truth and you automatically classify it as ad-hominem.

 

[Helmut]

This thread is about egos now

The beginning:
Decopi #25
an irresponsible gang of fanatics is always pushing garbage to users, exploiting false mantras such as: ........

Trident #26
When people claim to be experts and then go around manipulating users’ opinions by publishing unrealistic tests and claiming that a forgotten already solution, jam packed with bugs and holes, developed as a hobby project in someone’s bedrooms is the most powerful, it becomes evident how much they are experts.

Then comes with #56 from Behold Eck as well as #58 from him very factual posts, which is commented on as follows:

#59 Trident
Once again, fanboyism is being caught. Why do you need to offend the user sharing their experience that they are trolling by stealth?
Note: There was no offence nor a fanboyism!

From Decopi's post #25, i.e. from #26 to #56, purely factual posts followed, until egos, rather personal attacks, initially more reserved, then to the point of calling others mentally ill.

 

[Behold Eck]

The beginning:
Decopi #25
an irresponsible gang of fanatics is always pushing garbage to users, exploiting false mantras such as: ........

Trident #26
When people claim to be experts and then go around manipulating users’ opinions by publishing unrealistic tests and claiming that a forgotten already solution, jam packed with bugs and holes, developed as a hobby project in someone’s bedrooms is the most powerful, it becomes evident how much they are experts.

Then comes with #56 from Behold Eck as well as #58 from him very factual posts, which is commented on as follows:

#59 Trident
Once again, fanboyism is being caught. Why do you need to offend the user sharing their experience that they are trolling by stealth?
Note: There was no offence nor a fanboyism!

From Decopi's post #25, i.e. from #26 to #56, purely factual posts followed, until egos, rather personal attacks, initially more reserved, then to the point of calling others mentally ill.

FYI I`ve come across a photograph of them watching a CS video tutorial together. A hard act to please.

Regards Eck

 

[Decopi]

Since Comodo became an abandonware in 2017, the official Comodo forum has become a Nazi concentration camp, where criticism is immediately censored by deleting users. It is natural, since the software has not worked for years, it is necessary to appeal to fanaticism, cause and effect. Here at MT, fortunately an open and democratic space, Comodo fanatics cannot delete users. And as long as the democratic environment exists at MT, Comodo fanatics, fortunately, will not be able to delete users or criticism.

Another bad habit of the official Comodo forum is to methodically and systematically delete the lists of bugs that are reported daily. But there are so many reported bugs, and they have been accumulated for so many years, that some lists of bugs miraculously manage to survive. For example: List of current bugs

Also here: List of current bugs discussion

And here: Bug Reports - CIS

And the lists above may seem like a lot of reported bugs, but as I explained, in the last years more than 25 long lists of bugs were methodically and systematically deleted from the official Comodo forum. They add up to more than 500 dangerous, old, and never fixed bugs.

Few days ago, in a rare and weird event, a Comodo employee mistakenly posted a list of 100 bugs (I feel sorry for him, he will certainly be fired from Comodo soon). I attach the image below. I repeat, this is not a list reported by users. This is a list of bugs officially recognized by Comodo staff. And 99% of the bugs there are around 7 years old!

For all those non-fanatics, or passive readers who read us in silence, and for all the visitors who will read us in the future, here is the truth:

COMODO IS AN ABANDONWARE (2017), FULL OF HUNDRED OF DANGEROUS UNFIXED BUGS, THEREFORE SOFTWARE WITHOUT UPDATES/UPGRADES SHOULD NOT BE USED. THAT SAID, EVERYONE IS FREE TO USE WHATEVER THEY WANT, BUT IN THAT CASE, IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT COMODO IS NOT AN ANTIVIRUS/ANTIMALWARE, IT IS ONLY A BLOCKER, THE DECISION TO BLOCK OR NOT TO BLOCK ALWAYS DEPENDS ON THE USER.

 

[Trident]

Note: There was no offence nor a fanboyism!

Except, there was.

The user was recommended by MalwareTips experts to install Comodo, and not one of the many security solutions. Something that is illogical, irrational, whatever. Needless to say it is user’s fault for following these irrational recommendations too!

The same user then came to leave feedback that the software didn’t work for them. This feedback has been left on many forums, many times, including on the Comodo’s official one.

The experts who constantly swear by Comodo and push it to every user asking for recommendations, replied:

• I think you are trolling
• You are not following “guidelines”
• You like to restore from images, so all good

And then we were presented with Grimm-brother-tales, from a man who by my calculations is about ~50-55 years old, specially registered on a forum to promote his favourite AV. These tales were tailored to make the user look incompetent and stupid, which later was implied by a third user, namely Rasmi, who at least had the decency to say it directly.

It would get even worse (as we’ve seen times and times again), with a few more experts coming around, playing the role of sidekicks, but I interfered and the whole attention is now on me, so it doesn’t have to be on @tofargone

This is the essence and lifecycle of every Comodo discussion.
@Behold Eck nice pic you got there, but we ain’t old

 

[Behold Eck]

Since Comodo became an abandonware in 2017, the official Comodo forum has become a Nazi concentration camp, where criticism is immediately censored by deleting users. It is natural, since the software has not worked for years, it is necessary to appeal to fanaticism, cause and effect. Here at MT, fortunately an open and democratic space, Comodo fanatics cannot delete users. And as long as the democratic environment exists at MT, Comodo fanatics, fortunately, will not be able to delete users or criticism.

Another bad habit of the official Comodo forum is to methodically and systematically delete the lists of bugs that are reported daily. But there are so many reported bugs, and they have been accumulated for so many years, that some lists of bugs miraculously manage to survive. For example: List of current bugs

Also here: List of current bugs discussion

And here: Bug Reports - CIS

And the lists above may seem like a lot of reported bugs, but as I explained, in the last years more than 25 long lists of bugs were methodically and systematically deleted from the official Comodo forum. They add up to more than 500 dangerous, old, and never fixed bugs.

Few days ago, in a rare and weird event, a Comodo employee mistakenly posted a list of 100 bugs (I feel sorry for him, he will certainly be fired from Comodo soon). I attach the image below. I repeat, this is not a list reported by users. This is a list of bugs officially recognized by Comodo staff. And 99% of the bugs there are around 7 years old!

For all those non-fanatics, or passive readers who read us in silence, and for all the visitors who will read us in the future, here is the truth:

COMODO IS AN ABANDONWARE (2017), FULL OF HUNDRED OF DANGEROUS UNFIXED BUGS, THEREFORE SOFTWARE WITHOUT UPDATES/UPGRADES SHOULD NOT BE USED. THAT SAID, EVERYONE IS FREE TO USE WHATEVER THEY WANT, BUT IN THAT CASE, IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT COMODO IS NOT AN ANTIVIRUS/ANTIMALWARE, IT IS ONLY A BLOCKER, THE DECISION TO BLOCK OR NOT TO BLOCK ALWAYS DEPENDS ON THE USER.

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Okay it might have a few nicks and bumps but that`s part of it`s charm I think,as long as it works.

@Behold Eck nice pic you got there, but we ain’t old

Of course not, NURSE! NURSE! THEY`RE OUT OF THEIR CHAIRS AND AT IT AGAIN.

Regards Eck

 

[Chuck57]

Except, there was.

The user was recommended by MalwareTips experts to install Comodo, and not one of the many security solutions. Something that is illogical, irrational, whatever. Needless to say it is user’s fault for following these irrational recommendations too!

The same user then came to leave feedback that the software didn’t work for them. This feedback has been left on many forums, many times, including on the Comodo’s official one.

Do you, or have you, ever realized that you complain about the very thing you do?

The one difference is, you've assigned yourself the mantle of saving all Comodo users from themselves.

You whine because someone was told to use Comodo by a person who is clearly not an expert by your standard although you call them such above. Then you proceed to tell people NOT to use Comodo because you know what's best for all of us Comodo users. You must have some hellcacious arguments with yourself in the mirror each morning.

 

[Trident]

Then you proceed to tell people NOT to use Comodo because you know what's best for all of us Comodo users.

The user is complaining that the software caused serious issues. Nobody told them to NOT use Comodo. Prior to complaining, please find a post where someone said “do not use Comodo, use X Y Z instead”.

person who is clearly not an expert

It’s not one user, it is a whole group of users. In fact, @Behold Eck did not directly advise anyone to use Comodo. It is other people that constantly do that.
But it is wrong to call the user troll, although, as I said on this discussion already more than 10 times, all advise is followed at the user’s own risk. People on the internet can advise you to consume laundry pods as well (which happened). Whether you will do that, ultimately, is your own decision.

The one difference is, you've assigned yourself the mantle of saving all Comodo users from themselves.

I am not saving anyone from Comodo, that as well was said many times in this discussion.
The software is not something evil that people need saving from — it is a free product, offered on as-is basis. You don’t like it - don’t use it.
The software fans are vicious.

If people wanna use Comodo, then this is up to them. They can use NetProtect Antivirus as well, as long as this mediocre software with 250MB of hashes-only database (not even encryped) works for them.

I don’t like the attacks on users who complain.
We are unable to get a clear picture of Comodo, because every time someone says something, a whole group of people jumps to invalidate all arguments.

This has been going on for very long, it’s not from now.

 

[tofargone]

You must have some hellcacious arguments with yourself in the mirror each morning.

LOL Sorry Trident, but Chuck is funny...

 

[Trident]

LOL Sorry Trident, but Chuck is funny...

Well I’m glad that the way you were treated (being called names because Comodo did not work as a reputable AV should) is funny to you. As you clearly have no problem with that, I’ll just let it be.

 

[tofargone]

Well I’m glad that the way you were treated (being called names because Comodo did not work as a reputable AV should) is funny to you. As you clearly have no problem with that, I’ll just let it be.

Not trying to quote the Godfather, but it was not personal. It was just a funny statement. Everything is good. If the worse thing I have to worry about is someone calling me names, I've got it made.... I'm not a woke/liberal kind of guy. So words can't hurt me, nor can ideas or opinions, even if they differ from my own.

 

[Helmut]

Okay it might have a few nicks and bumps but that`s part of it`s charm I think,as long as it works.

It's a bit off-topic

To be honest, with all the discussions here, but mainly through further research on the Internet, I've started to waver in terms of protection against cyber attacks.
The methods used by cyber criminals have become more refined and sophisticated. Even open source no longer offers security, on the contrary.

However, am I too uninteresting for cyber criminals or too well protected? Am I really well enough protected all round and, above all, fast enough?

I've been considering Bitdefender and Norton as possible successors to comodo. Is comodo still a match for the new methods used by cyber criminals?

It's like changing the lock on a door that has prevented every break-in and resisted every attempted break-in up to now. Why have some people fallen victim to ransomware, viruses, rootkits, data theft, and account emptied, and I haven't?

When compared, comodo usually performs poorly or even the weakest. Comodo no longer takes part in tests or prohibits a test. The AV software still achieves pitiful values and others also have containments, such as the Stealth mode.
I am now really unsettled by the ever "improving" methods of cyber criminals, which also include AI, which they will also use. In this test (Recent Results In July 2024 » AVLab Cybersecurity Foundation) , 100% was also achieved, but the times are not particularly good.
The only argument, and not the worst one, is the experience with Comodo so far.

 

[Trident]

I've been considering Bitdefender and Norton as possible successors to comodo. Is comodo still a match for the new methods used by cyber criminals?

Bitdefender and Norton are both incredible!

Norton is a perfect all-rounder in terms of quality, protection, price and offered features.
Protection-wise it is strong, not the strongest.

Bear in mind that some of these features are there “to register presence”, for example, I did test the Identity Restore Specialists (Vodafone merged my credit files with somebody elses all their debts appeared on my file).
I very much hope that nobody will need the help of these “specialists”. Of course for me, it was just a test.

Bitdefender is a very fast growing company. From the major AVs, they are the newest. They’ve got many patents, specially in the field of machine learning/AI and according to their official statements, most of the staff employed is researchers and developers and not bureaucracy-related.
Their business solutions are quite-strong too, protection-wise, they are better than Norton.
They lack the polished feeling that Norton manages to hook consumers with.

Also consider:

• Kaspersky with default-deny and IDS
• Check Point/ZoneAlarm with threat emulation and CDR
• DeepInstinct with exceptionally effective static analysis/NGAV
• Avast in hardened mode (for home users). Although their hardened mode covers only executables
• Restriction of LOLBins as the Ms official advise for 20+ years has been, disable it if you don’t need it.
• Personal training and improvement of threat-recognition skills.

Comodo is in no way better than anything listed above.

 

[Chuck57]

It's a bit off-topic

To be honest, with all the discussions here, but mainly through further research on the Internet, I've started to waver in terms of protection against cyber attacks.
The methods used by cyber criminals have become more refined and sophisticated. Even open source no longer offers security, on the contrary.


It's like changing the lock on a door that has prevented every break-in and resisted every attempted break-in up to now. Why have some people fallen victim to ransomware, viruses, rootkits, data theft, and account emptied, and I haven't?

I've used Comodo Firewall for decades and, same thing, never been infected. In those years, I've removed it and tried others, such as AVAST, AVG, Kaspersky, Norton, and a couple that no longer exist. I ALWAYS return to Comodo FW, because it's light on the system, it works, and all you do is install, set Proactive and the couple of clicks to enable Cruelsister's settings, and it's done. Nothing else needed.

I most often run with Firefox in containment, but even that isn't necessary. What more does a person need? You don't need to write rules, no need for any tinkering. In a couple of minutes, the FW is all set up and there's no need to even open the software again, other than to empty the container IF you use containment.

 

[Jonny Quest]

Bitdefender and Norton are both incredible!

Bitdefender is a very fast growing company. From the major AVs, they are the newest. They’ve got many patents, specially in the field of machine learning/AI and according to their official statements, most of the staff employed is researchers and developers and not bureaucracy-related.
Their business solutions are quite-strong too, protection-wise, they are better than Norton.
They lack the polished feeling that Norton manages to hook consumers with.

IMO, Bitdefender is over engineered, to intrusive on a PC =s glitchy, issues, settings not being saved etc. I would rather give up (sacrifice) some of the perceived, or genuine protection (BB) for stability and reliability. Maybe I've spent to much time on that forum (2007 - 2024), and have become jaded with what I've seen and had to help members with. I feel for those who are coming from Kaspersky (stable, wonderful settings, more usable UI and windows) to BD. Maybe BD free version isn't so bad?

 

[bazang]

A lot of vendors provide products for free.

Yes, they do, but those vendors subsidize their "free" consumer versions with revenue from those users that pay for the consumer version.

Other vendors also use their "free" versions as a gateway to get users to pay for it.

Comodo is not profitless — the same codebase that’s powering the home products has been used as foundation for the Xcitium products.

I never said Comodo is profitless. However, its consumer version is, indeed, profitless.

No other vendor uses enterprise or commercial product revenue to support a free consumer version.

Software product management based upon a "shared codebase" is not how things are done in the industry. Each product version is treated independently from other versions as their own profit or loss centers. Revenues, expenses, resources - everything - is tracked and apportioned separately, right down to the accounting and bookkeeping ledgers. The only ones that do not do this sort of product management are those that do not know how to do it. Comodo does and has used this standard model from Day 1.

I have been managing large software, enterprise and government IT projects for decades - from solicitation all the way down to close-out. That includes budgeting, accounting, expense allocation and tracking, etc. What I am stating is how things are done except at smaller companies and one-man shops that do not have the resources to do it any other way.

Comodo also offers paid versions to home users.

The paid version includes only two things - priority support and a warranty. That is it. It is fully explained to the purchaser what they are getting for the money that they are paying.

After installing CIS, the user can purchase a CIS support\warranty ("premium" version) for as low as 5 Euros. So there is no real revenue through this mechanism to make whatever improvements you and @Decopi think necessary.

On what basis do you claim that these modules are not needed? Have you got evidence to support that home users are not exposed to threats such as Phishing?

No evidence is required. With any product, it is the product owner who gets to decide what features they want to put into the product - regardless of what anyone else thinks.

Melih has stated over the years many times on the Comodo forum - so many times he sounded like a broken record - why he will not improve the AV module. As far as phishing and web protections the product provides the user the capability to subscribe and import the same blocklists that Kaspersky, Bitdefender, and every other "premium" security software publishers uses.

Comodo is Harvesting files through their Valkyrie system too. Valkyrie can be turned off and just as easily, the same could be done with Defender telemetry.

The user has to upload the file; Valkyrie does not automatically upload files. Windows Defender does do this and not all of its telemetry can be disabled, even when it is "disabled" when another antivirus product is installed on Windows.

Which paid security software did it outperform, where and when?

The tests have been available online over the past 15 years. You know where to look. You can keep trying to discredit the methodology and results integrity of both individual testers and labs, but it is not going to work.

my only problem is vicious Comodo fanboys jumping on users to defend garbage.

Hey @cruelsister keep producing those Comodo vids and post them here. It upsets particular members here a lot. Besides you get to show users how to avoid 99% of the product issues that a few individuals complain about here at MT.

NOTE @cruelsister : No one that complains about CIS and CFW being so buggy, such crap software, full of protection feature gaps, etc - none of them has ever produced a viable, legit pentest result that proves what they are saying is correct. They only mutter personal opinions and speculation. Why? Because they have an agenda.

@Andy Ful 's POC was completely legit. He did not show the results of a particular software failing because he did not want to deal with the developer being outraged and all the troubles that developer would bring to this forum.

You say that you have no issue with CIS quality, yet you categorize it as "garbage."

 

[Helmut]

I've used Comodo Firewall for decades and, same thing, never been infected. In those years,......Comodo FW, because it's light on the system, it works, and all you do is install, set Proactive and the couple of clicks to enable Cruelsister's settings, and it's done.

That's exactly my experience too. Up until now, Comodo has protected me and my PCs reliably. I'm particularly worried about the AI, can Comodo still keep up, or is their strategy sufficient: I don't trust anyone for now.
I'm really open to all advice and grateful.

Bitdefender ... got many patents, specially in the field of machine learning/AI and according to their official statements, most of the staff employed is researchers and developers

Also a strong argument.

 

[Behold Eck]

I've used Comodo Firewall for decades and, same thing, never been infected. In those years, I've removed it and tried others, such as AVAST, AVG, Kaspersky, Norton, and a couple that no longer exist. I ALWAYS return to Comodo FW, because it's light on the system, it works, and all you do is install, set Proactive and the couple of clicks to enable Cruelsister's settings, and it's done. Nothing else needed.

I most often run with Firefox in containment, but even that isn't necessary. What more does a person need? You don't need to write rules, no need for any tinkering. In a couple of minutes, the FW is all set up and there's no need to even open the software again, other than to empty the container IF you use containment.

Same here pretty much set and forget once installed via CS`s advised settings.

Regards Eck

 

[Chuck57]

That's exactly my experience too. Up until now, Comodo has protected me and my PCs reliably. I'm particularly worried about the AI, can Comodo still keep up, or is their strategy sufficient? I don't trust anyone for now. I'm really open to all advice and grateful.


Also a strong argument.

I don't know enough about AI other than that I don't like it. I always think of the movie Terminator. I certainly don't knowingly carry on conversations with any AI anything. There's something odd, or peculiar, or strange about talking to a machine. I try to limit my discussions with non human entities to my cat. At least she's a living creature.

As AI improves, I don't know whether Comodo can keep up. Can ANY antivirus or anti-malware maker keep up? Honestly, can WE keep up?

 

[Helmut]

IMO, Bitdefender is over engineered, to intrusive on a PC

I once had this experience with Norton. But it was a very long time ago.

the official Comodo forum has become a Nazi concentration camp

For me, such a person is no longer a discussant. When you imagine what the NAZIS did, how they treated people! An extremely disgusting, reprehensible comparison! Melih - Nazi, not averse to a world war III, torturing people