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Chuck57

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I've got v8 Home and will keep it on board for now. I've recently disovered Hasleo backup which is at least twice as fast and, to me, seems simpler to figure out - and it's free at least for now. It might replace Macrium, or become my primary backup with Macrium my secondary.
 

n8chavez

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I have owned Macrium for several years. I have a lifetime license for V8.

I just purchased my first year subscription for V 10 (X), and will continue to support them.

This is how companies continue to make, or improve good products.

It helps pay for their employees, pay the electric bill, and hopefully make a profit.

I encourage everyone who has benefited from Macrium to at least by a one year subscription.

If they go out of business, we all lose. Better to support them. It's only $4.00 a month. We waste more than that on coffee and fast foods......... JMHO

So your argument is that if we do not subscribe to Macrium Reflect they'll go out of business and then we'll all be forced to use products everyone wants to anyways because Macrium is forcing users to buy a subscription? Um....ok.
 

tofargone

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So your argument is that if we do not subscribe to Macrium Reflect they'll go out of business and then we'll all be forced to use products everyone wants to anyways because Macrium is forcing users to buy a subscription? Um....ok.
NO. I think your doing some Goldie Locks reasoning there. I didn't not say that.

They may never go out of business, or everyone could buy a subscription and somehow they still go out of business. Too many variables to come to a conclusion concerning their future.

What I did say, and I'll repeat it here, since you missed it the first time, is... If you support a company that produces a good product, the chances that they go out of business is greatly lessened with financial support. 1+1 is 2
 

Chuck57

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So your argument is that if we do not subscribe to Macrium Reflect they'll go out of business and then we'll all be forced to use products everyone wants to anyways because Macrium is forcing users to buy a subscription? Um....ok.
I think this trend toward subscription services is to provide, hopefully, a more stable yearly income. Personally, I dislike it and won't use any software requiring a monthly fee.

I have Macrium 8 and I figure it's good for years into the future, and I have Hasleo, which seems to be faster all around and is free, at least right now. I foresee them charging at some point. I'm sure they aren't developing Hasleo out of the goodness of their heart with no interest in making an income.
 

n8chavez

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I think this trend toward subscription services is to provide, hopefully, a more stable yearly income. Personally, I dislike it and won't use any software requiring a monthly fee.

I have Macrium 8 and I figure it's good for years into the future, and I have Hasleo, which seems to be faster all around and is free, at least right now. I foresee them charging at some point. I'm sure they aren't developing Hasleo out of the goodness of their heart with no interest in making an income.

Hasleo will not be free forever. And they do deserve to get paid, within reason. Here's what the developers had to say aboit it:

So far, all the licenses we have sold use perpetual licenses instead of subscription licenses, so HBS will not use subscription licenses either. In any case, our products will be cheap.
 

n8chavez

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NO. I think your doing some Goldie Locks reasoning there. I didn't not say that.

They may never go out of business, or everyone could buy a subscription and somehow they still go out of business. Too many variables to come to a conclusion concerning their future.

What I did say, and I'll repeat it here, since you missed it the first time, is... If you support a company that produces a good product, the chances that they go out of business is greatly lessened with financial support. 1+1 is 2

Where we differ is what constitutes "support." Is a yearly fee of $50/year, which become crippled once you don't have an active subscription worth it? I say not.
 

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I think this trend toward subscription services is to provide, hopefully, a more stable yearly income. Personally, I dislike it and won't use any software requiring a monthly fee.

I have Macrium 8 and I figure it's good for years into the future, and I have Hasleo, which seems to be faster all around and is free, at least right now. I foresee them charging at some point. I'm sure they aren't developing Hasleo out of the goodness of their heart with no interest in making an income.
I just notice that Macrium only has annual subscription, otherwise people will just buy a month, make a backup then stop until they need to make another backup because the restore feature is always free.
 

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People need to stop whining because they have to pay a yearly subscription. Its your choice, use a free service where they probably mine your data and sell it or use a paid subscription. Its not really that much, like cutback on 10 coffees a month and its paid for. You guys expect all the programmers to work for free so you get a free program? Get real.
 

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People need to stop whining because they have to pay a yearly subscription. Its your choice, use a free service where they probably mine your data and sell it or use a paid subscription. Its not really that much, like cutback on 10 coffees a month and its paid for. You guys expect all the programmers to work for free so you get a free program? Get real.
Exactly my opinion!
 

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People need to stop whining because they have to pay a yearly subscription. Its your choice, use a free service where they probably mine your data and sell it or use a paid subscription. Its not really that much, like cutback on 10 coffees a month and its paid for. You guys expect all the programmers to work for free so you get a free program? Get real.
Agree 100 %
 

JasonUK

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I'd prefer if they followed Revo's example ~ you buy a licence which provides updates and support for a given period. At the end of the support period you can either renew to get a further period of support/updates or you can use the software version you downloaded within your last paid for period for life not a crippled 'recovery only' version of the software as Macrium are proposing.

I have no problem supporting developers/software that I value but want to actually own a product if I do.
 

zidong

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Can you just download the app, create system image backup + boot usb and remove the app? Paid or not what will stop me to use the image backup after 1-2 years?
 
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bazang

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People need to stop whining because they have to pay a yearly subscription. Its your choice, use a free service where they probably mine your data and sell it or use a paid subscription. Its not really that much, like cutback on 10 coffees a month and its paid for. You guys expect all the programmers to work for free so you get a free program? Get real.
I am 100% for all software being paid. That is not the issue. Macrium (and others using the same model - Acronis comes to mind) is a poor value. It is quite expensive relative to what the purchaser gets, plus Macrium has refused to provide anything other than (1) and (4) seat license packages.

This "poor value" changes if the consumer has more than a need to use a software like Macrium to avoid the annoyance or work to clean install the OS and rebuild the system. Most users here are doing exactly that - using a backup solution because they are lazy - and do not have any true critical need for disaster recovery.

If the consumer is a home user with a side hustle that cannot tolerate a system being down for longer than a couple of hours, then the cost of a backup solution such as Macrium could be justified. Backing-up a 2 TB porn or anime collection is not cost-justified whenever there are equally, if not more, effective methods at much lower cost.

If a user is working on their PhD research and thesis, then the need to create backsups using different methods is critical. The loss of the work-product would be a devastating event that could potentially unravel a graduate student's entire doctorate program. Such use-cases meet the justification threshold to pay for a software like Macrium.
 

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@ bazang
Your claim that most members here are too lazy to keep an operating system clean or to create a new one is an outrage. It takes me more than a day to completely reinstall an operating system with all the software I use and all the fine adjustments. My time is too valuable to waste on such unnecessary work. That's why I prefer to pay for a reliable software solution.
 

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Particularly I have nothing against paying programmers, otherwise I'd pirate all my software. It's very rare that a software is not cracked relatively quickly. But I wont be paying subscriptions to everything. Antimalware have daily updates and need to be constantly update to face new attack vectors and methods. It makes sense to pay a subscription. Now a backup software barely need updating, I could probably be using version 8 until the end of life of Windows 11 without any major problems. I'll gladly pay an amount for a version and its updates and THEN decide If I need an upgrade to the next version IF it offers anything that may interest me. I hold licenses for both version 7 and 8 but I won't pay rental for version 10.
 

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@ bazang
Your claim that most members here are too lazy to keep an operating system clean or to create a new one is an outrage. It takes me more than a day to completely reinstall an operating system with all the software I use and all the fine adjustments. My time is too valuable to waste on such unnecessary work. That's why I prefer to pay for a reliable software solution.
And it's a neat feeling to see my system completely restored within minutes after I've done something to completely hose it. Knowing how to use a backup/recovery program makes you fearless to experiment.
Acadia
 

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I am 100% for all software being paid. That is not the issue. Macrium (and others using the same model - Acronis comes to mind) is a poor value. It is quite expensive relative to what the purchaser gets, plus Macrium has refused to provide anything other than (1) and (4) seat license packages.

This "poor value" changes if the consumer has more than a need to use a software like Macrium to avoid the annoyance or work to clean install the OS and rebuild the system. Most users here are doing exactly that - using a backup solution because they are lazy - and do not have any true critical need for disaster recovery.

If the consumer is a home user with a side hustle that cannot tolerate a system being down for longer than a couple of hours, then the cost of a backup solution such as Macrium could be justified. Backing-up a 2 TB porn or anime collection is not cost-justified whenever there are equally, if not more, effective methods at much lower cost.

If a user is working on their PhD research and thesis, then the need to create backsups using different methods is critical. The loss of the work-product would be a devastating event that could potentially unravel a graduate student's entire doctorate program. Such use-cases meet the justification threshold to pay for a software like Macrium.

I don't have to justify to anyone if or why I use or buy/rent a program - Similar to Oldie 1950 says, my Windows install is quite complex & takes over 2 days to install & setup over 50 none MS programs for music/ photography etc - Obviously some users have a very simple setup & maybe don't really need to image, but the thought that anyone needs justification or permission to buy/rent etc a program is really no-ones business. If you don''t like Macriums model go elsewhere, simple as that.
 

bazang

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I don't have to justify to anyone if or why I use or buy/rent a program - Similar to Oldie 1950 says, my Windows install is quite complex & takes over 2 days to install & setup over 50 none MS programs for music/ photography etc - Obviously some users have a very simple setup & maybe don't really need to image, but the thought that anyone needs justification or permission to buy/rent etc a program is really no-ones business. If you don''t like Macriums model go elsewhere, simple as that.
Your perspective is 100% consumerist. In that world, consumers can do whatever they want. It's your money. You can waste it however you wish or as you think justified.

I did not say that you nor anyone else needs permission to use Macrium. Carefully re-read what I said. Your interpretation of what I posted is your own and not what I said.

Everything in IT always needs to be justified based upon cost and need. This is a basic principle of IT. A cost-benefit analysis. Most people do it in every part of their life without ever thinking about it.

The cost of Macrium versus the need for the vast majority of home users that buy it, make it a waste of money. Lots of Macrium users have stated this on the Macrium forums. They have also complained about how expensive it is relative to what they get. That is why so many home users opted for the free version. It cost $0 and provided them with a reliable solution that did what they needed it to do - as opposed to the paid version with a huge number of unneeded features. The $0 cost, feature limited version made perfect sense for what consumers were using the product for (e.g. backing-up their 2 TB porn collection).

The fundamental issue surrounding Macrium is that it phased-out the free version which made sense for many, to an expensive subscription model that is irrational (makes no sense; is not cost-justified) for most home users. That user base has been asking for a low-cost, basic feature version for the past 20 years. Macrium is not going to do it. It would rather switch over to its expensive annual subscription model and lose a significant number of users, who were willing to pay for a version that made economic sense.

Again, it is your money, if you want to pay $49 USD per seat per year for it, then isn't it wonderful for you that you can waste your money that way? On the other hand you might have a real need for it. Very few consumers do need all the bells and whistles. That is why those users have been complaining about the cost of the subscription.
 

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Macrium Reflect Home v8.1.8311​

Bug fixes and Improvements v8.1.8311 - 8th October 2024
  • Imaging
    • Reflect now correctly prompts for media when backing up to CD/DVD with no media inserted.
    • The Pause button in File and Folder backups is now fully functional.
  • General
    • Setup errors related to ThreadManagement.dll have been resolved.
    • Some users encountered repeated "License not registered to this hardware" messages at startup. A resolution is now available—please contact our Support team for assistance.
    • Changes have been made to support a smooth transition to Reflect X.
Source: Macrium Reflect Patch Details
 

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