Obama vs. Romney

[Gnosis]

If my prognostication is correct, Romney would win it because if neither of the candidates pulls two-thirds from the electoral college I believe we then go by popular vote.
That said, there is no way to guess this stuff. I am just having fun with it.

EDIT: Actually 270 is enough for two-thirds, but you get the gist.

 

[Deleted member 178]

From Europe, we have the impression (and i observed that when i lived in US) that most Americans choose their president or political leaders for their personality, charisma, personal behaviors, beliefs, etc... but not for their political program and plans which is the most important thing. Im sure that many voters have no clues of the political program of their favorite.
The best example is Terminator as governor of California...

In France , when French citizens chose Francois Hollande, they chose the Left Side political program, Hollande is just the guy that will execute the program.

 

[Ramblin]

I think belonging to an exclusively black church with a well known anti-American, anti-government, racist pastor is a pretty good list.

The thing that really bother me about Obama, are his friends. In addition to Wright, we got terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn and......

Bo

 

[Ramblin]

If Obama wins he has enough judges in the supreme court to guarantee a repeal of the 2nd Amendment (he will be very aggressive in his second term), esp. after he appoints one more judge. That will be the beginning of the end for America as we have known it, and he will have his revolution. I foresee a splintering of our military followed by balkanization as a result. I wish I was wrong.

Look, I know you Love the US (I do too) but you underestimate the strength of the US as a nation. What happened in the Balkans recently is a result of the clash between Islam and Christianity during the last 1000 years in that part of the World. Nothing like that is happening in the US or is gonna happen there for at least a few hundred years. So, relax and stop listening to people talking nonsense about the greatest country in the World.

If you really like to understand the Balkans, start reading after the fall of the Western Roman Empire in the fifth century. Later, the Crusades, followed by the struggle of the Byzantine empire to survive and effectively stopping the advancement of Islam into Europe for a few centuries.

By the time Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453, Christianity got lucky. In Spain, for example, the two greatest Christian kingdoms united and expelled the Muslims out of Spain and Western Europe. In other parts of Europe, other strong Christian kingdoms were also being unified, stopping the advancement of Islam on the other side of Europe. At the same time, the Balkans, Bulgaria, Greece were falling into the hands of the Turks.They remained in Turkish control until the Balkan wars in the early 19th century. Thats the beginning of the story about what happened in the Balkans a few years ago.

Maybe you like to read this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo

Bo

 

[MrXidus]

I'm watching the live & auto updating voting results from > http://origin-elections-mtc-a.evip.aol.com/2012/results

 

[Gnosis]

From Europe, we have the impression (and i observed that when i lived in US) that most Americans choose their president or political leaders for their personality, charisma, personal behaviors, beliefs, etc... but not for their political program and plans which is the most important thing. Im sure that many voters have no clues of the political program of their favorite.
The best example is Terminator as governor of California

I can see why Europe would think that way.
That mentality is how we ended up with that idiot Jimmy Carter.
Information is the currency of democracy and we are bathing in disinformation and ignorance in the United States. Then all we have left is "he is cool", "I would do him", "He seems a lot like me" etc.....................

AND WE PAY FOR IT DEARLY

 

[Gnosis]

If you really like to understand the Balkans, start reading after the fall of the Western Roman Empire in the fifth century. Later, the Crusades, followed by the struggle of the Byzantine empire to survive and effectively stopping the advancement of Islam into Europe for a few centuries

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I just got a couple of books that will hit that nail on the head. I cannot wait to read them.

 

[Overkill]

This is just for fun, so don't be too overzealous. LOL

I am curious to see the results.

I hate politics to begin with and I don't like either one of them but Obama won so another 4 yrs of HELL!

 

[Deleted member 178]

the only thing USA really needs is a healthcare system like we have in France.
Only democrates may do it.

 

[Gnosis]

The people spoke. Obama gets to stay in the Oval Office.

"A nation divided against itself cannot stand"

That is what we have been the last 16 years.
I really don't think people understand, nor do most of them care to understand that while Obama may be a "decent guy" the adoration of the masses makes him dangerous when combined with his narcissistic personality complex that seems to drive his decisions. I really am not trying to sound negative or bash anyone, but get used to the United States not being a leader in ANYTHING, because that time is coming fast. People always talk about our children and our children's children suffering. That would be bad enough, but we will dissolve long before then because we have put the trust of a King into a totalitarian type of President. Bypassing congress with Executive Orders at an astonishing pace, thereby violating the Constitution, is enough, in itself, to make our foundation crumble. The adoration and the "he can do no wrong" mentality of the media will help condone the many flaws that are delegated through illegal means. We are a nation of sheeple. Most of us have to be told what to do--who to vote for--there is much ignorance and propaganda that shields poor leadership from being exposed to where sheeple will do something about it at the polls.
Based on this election, I believe that we will never see a competent President in the Oval Office ever again. The gloves came off and everyone that cares voted. Obama still one handily. Whoever the DNC puts up for President will always be selected by those states that Obama won. That is a fact. They are a lock from here on out. The majority of the "blue state" populations have decided that they will vote against a Republican no matter how detrimental the alternative will be. It is their prerogative to do so. Reality is tough sometimes.
Thanks for participating in this thread.

 

[Gnosis]

Whether you voted for Obama or not, I think the following RUSH lyrics should be studied a bit:

"Peaceable Kingdom"

A wave toward the clearing the sky

All this time we're talking and sharing our rational view
A billion other voices are spreading other news
All this time we're living and trying to understand
Why a billion other choices are making their demands

Talk of a peaceable kingdom
Talk of a time without fear
The ones we wish would listen
Are never going to hear

Justice against the hanged man
Knight of Wands against the hour
Swords against the kingdom
Time against the tower

All this time we're shuffling and laying out all our cards
While a billion other dealers are slipping past our guards
All this time we're hoping and praying we all might learn
While a billion other teachers are teaching them how to burn

Dream of a peaceable kingdom
Dream of a time without war
The ones we wish would hear us
Have heard it all before

A wave toward the clearing sky
A wave toward the clearing sky

The hermit against the lovers
Or the devil against the fool
Swords against the kingdom
The wheel against the rules

All this time we're burning like bonfires in the dark
A billion other blazes are shooting off their sparks
Every spark a drifting ember of desire
To fall upon the earth and spark another fire

A homeward angel on the fly
A wave toward the clearing sky

 

[Spirit]

The immediate affect

Dow jones: -308 and running

More than 2% cutoff on almost every market including commodity :s

 

[Deleted member 178]

For Stock Markets, the reelection of a party that will tax rich people then spend it for the poorest one is not welcomed ^^

 

[Spirit]

For Stock Markets, the reelection of a party that will tax rich people then spend it for the poorest one is not welcomed ^^

Demorctes are not very good for stock market in u.s. history (as far i know)
and in my country people too talking about 4 years of dull market all over the world including my country

 

[Gnosis]

Households that earn more than 100,000 dollars before taxes (60,000 dollars after taxes) are Obama's sworn enemies. They shall pay for the needs, and soon to be the recreation, of the lower classes. After the "rich" are broke and destitute and homeless, then where will the lower classes get their milk money? Let Obama answer that question.

 

[Gnosis]

Lenin was more conservative than Obama when it comes to economics. Seriously.

 

[Gnosis]

And on matters of National Defense:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/USS-Enterprise-completes-its-final-voyage-4007079.php


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_09/019988.php


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-damaging-blow-to-our-military/2012/01/12/gIQA3eMhuP_story.html

http://nsroundtable.org/as-we-see-it/benghazi-a-national-disgrace/

http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2012/10/12/the_deadly_disgrace_of_obamas_proterrorist_lawyers/page/full/

 

[Gnosis]

"Peace in our time"

Neville Chamberlain

..Night of the Long Knives..

..the feudalism that socialist communism was born from..

..where tyranny, totalitarianism and the vassal/proletariat meet..

..Springtime of the Peoples..League of the Just...Communist League..

..The State..

Ask what your country can do for you, not what you can do for your country

Let the "1 percenters" bath in their own waste and beg for water, fuel, food, underwear and medical treatment, says Sandy..Barry won't argue with that. Let the party begin. The President can celebrate his victory while the "1 percenters" in the NE United States suffer. Obama's Katrina, not mine.

"You did not build that"

Obama

"If you live in a household, preferably white, and you earn more than 100,000 dollars before taxes, YOU ARE EVIL and must pay off all of the poverty level humans around you."

Obama

"These are my Tzars, you are my vassals"

Obama

You just have to laugh at it. It is all you can do.

 

[illumination]

I would like to take this comment of mine and my time in it, to explain the exact truths of the "US" Presidents. They are nothing more then high salaried PR "Public Relations" spokesman for the US. The Congress actually run the US, swayed by lobbyist and special interest "The Wealthy". If you noticed in Obama's first run, Congress had stricken down many attempts that Obama made.

I myself, being ex-military, have found, even though i served my country, i do not like they way it has been run for a very long time, and hence, do not vote, knowing it really makes no difference. Look up the term Electoral College, tell me what you find.. No matter which way it is presented, the people really have little say in things in this country any more. It saddens me to say so, as i love my country, but have no love for they way it has been run here lately.

Electoral College

Just my two cents, look into this governments ways and policies, you will be surprised in what you find.

 

[Gnosis]

When I think of true leaders I think of Reagan, Truman, Kennedy, Jackson, Polk, Madison, Jefferson, and Teddy Roosevelt. Those guys had big rocks and could back it up. They served the citizens rather than exploit them.