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The Shrine of the Holy Face of Jesus in Manoppello, Veil of the Holy Countenance of Manoppello, Veil of Kamulia (Camulia - a city near Edessa in Cappadocia), Volto Santo .. : Not Painted by Human Hands : on holyfaceofmanoppello.blogspot.fr : http://holyfaceofmanoppello.blogspot.fr/2009/05/not-painted-by-human-hands.html
After clicking twice on the picture of the Veil on holyfaceofmanoppello blog, you have Manoppello 029.jpg 1124x1600 image in your PC .. This is the best photo of Veil of Manoppello, in my opinion. Very meaningful to me .. Christ looks straight into my eyes.

Here you have the Holy Face of Manoppello Veil - Not Painted by Human Hands: 79ECS.jpg 890x1274, then another Holy Face of Manoppello image too very nice, with oscillations: 3Rbrp.jpg 650x868 enhanced:
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I think the Veil of Manoppello is the image of Christ at the resurrection .. that Jesus gave us at the moment of his resurrection! Wounds (some) are seen during the healing process .. Christ has already opened his eyes and wakes up .. I think so. Do you see what I see? ..
Yes I think that it may be the small burial cloth covering the face of Jesus when He was in the tomb.
Resurrection of Jesus Christ : on PerpetualCatholic.info : http://perpetuacatholic.info/index.php?p=1_18 - very good read ..

'The phenomenon of oscillation is such that as the surface of the object has various angles which are able to be seen, these reflect one or another of the colors at a different time. Therefore the threads of the fabric of the Holy Face must change either on the surface of the threads or inside them in order to permit the same phenomenon. No artist with any technique, whether known or still to be discovered, can change a fabric in this way in order to permit this phenomenon. In other words, one must distinguish the fabric from the image. The very fine fabric is a human work, the image that can be seen on it, is not. This image behaves as a phenomenon that is found in nature. This insperable combination between human work (fabric) and natural phenomenon (image) we can only call by the word “miracle”, a miracle that will last as long as the fabric does not decompose. There is still another reason that excludes any kind of painting. A fabric so fine, which is identified as marine byssus by Chiara Vigo, the only known weaver of this material, can be found only in ancient times. But marine byssus can only be “tinted”, for example through a purple dye, but one can not “paint” anything on it. The salt remaining between the threads sooner of later will cause any color to fall from the threads.' ..
.. 'The human mind, it seems to me, has today a great difficulty in admitting a miraculous event. So, contrary to any real possibility, one prefers to attribute the Shroud of Turin to the genius of Leonardo da Vinci, and now the Veil of Manoppello to that of Raphael, only because one does not want to confess that God has intervened in the creation of both images.'

Slide show (Diashow) on antlitz-christi.de : http://www.antlitz-christi.de/manoppello/manoppello.html

'There is the effigy of a long-haired man with broken nose, bloodstained forehead and swollen cheek (Jn 18:22); his half-open mouth seems to be about to utter the word LOVE (1Jn 4:8 "God is Love"). The contrasting shades of brown flatten by candlelight so the dark bruises covering his hit face become visible (Jn 19:1-3). His eyes look very intensely ..' - quote on PiercedHearts.org : http://www.piercedhearts.org/treasures/shrines/manoppello.htm

The sudarium of Manoppello and the shroud of Turin – The superimposition : on SudariumChristi.com : http://www.sudariumchristi.com/uk/turin/index.htm
Veronica's Veil Found? by Paul Badde : on CatholicCulture.org : http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=6346
FRANCESCO BARBESINO : The Holy Face of Manoppello : on alleanzacattolica.org : http://www.alleanzacattolica.org/languages/english/cristianita_barbesinof311.htm
 
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The Veil of Veronica (or Sudarium, sweat-cloth) is the cloth Veronica used to wiped the face of Christ along the Via Dolorosa (the Way of the Cross). It is believed to still exist in St. Peter's Basilica, where it is displayed every year on Passion Sunday (Palm Sunday). There are few investigations done on the Veil, so its authenticity is unknown. According to some reports, it is a very thin veil which is mostly transparent when viewed straight on, but when something is placed behind it one can see the image of Christ which is present on the veil. Another image which purports to be the Veil of Veronica is the Holy Face of Manoppello (which seems to have the same physical characteristic of sheerness as the Veil at St. Peter's), which has been receiving more interest in recent years.' - another big quote on thesaurostesekklesias.blogspot.fr, thank you very much!
So look well on the Holy Veil of Veronica - very exceptional picture on Flickr here:
The Holy Veil of Veronica of the Vatican Basilica : http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulus_magnus/4540886625/in/faves-jsantoro921/
'The Holy Veil of Veronica of the Vatican Basilica :
A very rare close-up pic of the holiest relic of St. Peter's Basilica - The Holy Veil of Veronica.
Pic taken by Mr. Raymond Frost from the reliquary shrine of the Holy Veronica itself, from one of the 4 main pillars supporting the Dome of St. Peter's Basilica....
For centuries, only a handful of people was given this privilege of seeing the Veronica upclose.... but not all was given the honor of taking photographs of this precious relic. The Holy face is greatly faded and worn due to age.'
So thank you very much Raymond Frost and Juan Paolo "pAuLuS_MaXiMuS" Janolino ..;) - I don't dare to copy this picture here ..
.. too on Flickr's group: Reliquiae Sanctorum Omnium, page 3: http://www.flickr.com/groups/relics/pool/with/4540886625/#photo_4540886625
'The veneration of holy relics is an ancient practice in the Holy Catholic Church. In the Acts of the Apostles we read, "Meanwhile, God worked extraordinary miracles at the hands of Paul. When handkerchiefs or cloths which had touched his skin were applied to the sick, their diseases were cured and evil spirits departed from them" (19:11-12). Indeed, miracles were connected with these "relics" not that some magical power existed in them, but just as God's work was done through the lives of these holy men, so did His work continue after their deaths.'
.. too in pAuLuS_MaXiMuS Gallery page 6 here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulus_magnus/with/4540886625/#photo_4540886625 .. and by Google Images.
Excellent images, but take into consideration this:
'In the Bible there is mention of "Veil of Veronica." Many eminent scientists believe that there was no person called Veronica, and the passage of the Bible refers to the miraculous image of Jesus on the Shroud of Turin. Their reasoning is that the Bible was written in Greek and translated into other languages. The word "Veronica" in Greek is a contraction of "vera icona" ("true icon" in English with the meaning of the actual image).'
 
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The Holy Face of Vienna - meticulous copy of the Vatican Veronica's Veil kept in St Peter’s Basilica: thesaurostesekklesias.blogspot.fr (the first link at the top of this page) original image enhanced - 600x747:
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- this is the 1617 copy from the treasury of Hofburg Palace in Vienna, Austria - now in St Peter's Basilica in Vatican.
 
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The Holy Mandylion - contact print copy of the Image of Edessa - Sacrestia Pontificia - Matilda chapel in the Vatican, the Pope's private chapel - blue shadowed Sacrestia Pontificia photo enhanced - 620x388 9d93v.jpg , and the crop enlarged 257x388 IfRtv.jpg - next:
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A very heart touching photo, you can see the blood flowed from the wounds on the left (right ..) cheek and on His head! It seems to me that this picture was taken at a unique time .. you can see a big difference (more details) between the Holy Face of San Silvestro in this original blue shadowed Sacrestia Pontificia beautiful picture, in comparison with large images (but less detail) on Wikipedia, etc ..
Source of this image - look Image 3 of 3 - is on telegraph.co.uk: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...ibit-Crown-of-Thorns-in-relic-exhibition.html - and on Irenikon message 'British museum .. exhibition' : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irenikon/message/45588
Picture of the Mandylion of Edessa full frame – Grancesco Corni, 1623, Sacrestia Pontificia, Vatican Museums - on arttattler.com/archivetreasuresofheaven : http://www.arttattler.com/archivetreasuresofheaven.html :
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'Although the (Mandylion) version here is not original, it has the status of a 'contact relic', since the Mandylion was credited with the power to imprint itself on other surfaces it touched. The original Mandylion - The Mandylion of Edessa - is lost. .. It disappeared from the Sainte Chapelle during the (French) Revolution, but two 'contact prints' survive, one in San Bartolomeo degli Armeni in Genoa and the other - the version here - in the Sacrestia Pontificia. .. This fascinating image from a forgotten city off the pilgrimage map is an artistic treasure in it's own right. It inspires reverence not for it's status as a contact relic but because it's creator, whether human or divine, was touched with the genius to breathe sacred life into a scrap of cloth.' - quote on The Tablet 02 July, 2011: http://content.yudu.com/A1swxa/TheTablet/resources/7.htm
Another full-frame image on proecclesia.blogspot.fr: http://proecclesia.blogspot.fr/2008/07/yesterday-i-saw-vatican-splendors.html
 
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On thesaurostesekklesias.blogspot.fr (the first link at the top of this Page) I read:
'The Uronica is an image from the Old Lateran Palace in Rome. It is located in what used to be the Pope's private chapel, the Sancta Sanctorum, at the top of the Holy Stairs (Santa Scala), which are believed to be the stairs in front of Pilate's Praetorium where Christ was sentenced to death (the Stairs were reportedly brought to Rome by St. Helena, mother of Constantine). According to legend, this icon was begun by St. Luke and finished by angels.'

URONICA - Acheropsita (Acheiropoieton, Achiropite, Acheropita) icon of Holy Saviour SS. Salvatore of the Sancta Sanctorum at St. John Lateran Palace:

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Sorry for the poor quality of the original image that is moved a little .. taking into consideration that Uronica / Acheropite icon of Holy Saviour being an icon of the size of a man, would be possible to do the photo with better resolution and better lighting conditions .. But this is the best picture quality of this icon compared to other pictures I found on the web.
It seems to me that the original image was done under artificial light, not daylight ..

About Uronica Veil - Acheropsita icon of Holy Saviour - which, I found now (July 22, 2012), are this same Holy Icon, this same image:

FIRST, with this best picture: on cirota.ru forum here: http://www.cirota.ru/forum/view.php?subj=45442&order=&pg=0
Also: L'Immagine del SS.Salvatore (in Italian) on La Scala Santa website sigstars.net/scalasanta : http://www.sigstars.net/scalasanta/...a_Scala_Santa:L'Immagine_del_SS.Salvatore
.. and this same link in Google English: The Picture of SS.Salvatore (Holy Saviour) : http://translate.google.bs/translat...a=X&ei=_okMUIvXPMaphAfR1eyECg&ved=0CCIQ7gEwAA
On YouTube: The Rediscovered Face - 1 , by raffamlu :
- too about Acheropsita icon of Holy Saviour
Then YouTube: The Rediscovered Face - 3 Veronica's Veil :
VeronicaRoute (Google English translation ..): raffackfav.wordpress.com by Raffaella Zardoni : http://translate.googleusercontent....e.bs&sl=it&u=http://raffackfav.wordpress.com/ - here (click 'before 100/1100' link, please) this image is larger but of poorer quality, because the camera was a lot less pixels .. damage. But the site is very interesting! .. to follow ..
And: 30Giorni : The Veil of Manoppello : by Lorenzo Bianchi : http://www.30giorni.it/articoli_id_21069_l3.htm
'The icon in the Sancta Sanctorum of the Lateran, known from ancient sources as “acheropsita”. According to the hypothesis of Father Heinrich Pfeiffer the veil currently preserved in Manoppello, known in Rome as the “Veronica” (“true icon”), was set above it from the 8th to the 12th century.'
30Giorni: The Savior of the poor of Rome : http://www.30giorni.it/articoli_id_4367_l3.htm
'.. the icon of the Holy Face, kept in the chapel of the Sancta Sanctorum of the Holy Stairs: on the feast of the Assumption the icon was carried through the streets of Rome as far as Santa Maria Maggiore, where it met the Salus populi romani, the miraculous image of the Madonna.'
About Uronica image too on Wikipedia/Acheiropoieta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acheiropoieta - very poor image quality, pity!..
 
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Then another gem: Ancha icon, Anchiskhati : on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancha_icon
'The Ancha Icon of the Savior, known in Georgia as Anchiskhati, .. is a medieval Georgian encaustic icon, traditionally considered to be the Keramidion, a "holy tile" imprinted with the face of Jesus Christ miraculously transferred by contact with the Image of Edessa (Mandylion). Dated to the 6th-7th century, it was covered with silver chasing and amended in the following centuries. The icon derives its name from the Georgian monastery of Ancha in what is now Turkey, whence it was brought to Tbilisi in 1664. The icon is now kept at the National Art Museum of Georgia in Tbilisi.'
- Look on patriarch.ge photo here: http://patriarch.ge/eng/news/id/838
- On Anchiskhati.ge Georgian site with better image quality (this image is present on the Georgian page only ..): http://anchiskhati.ge/geo/index.htm
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The Image of Edessa (Mandylion) contact icon - The Ancha Icon of the Savior, known in Georgia as Anchiskhati ..
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.. and for your better entertainment, Google English translation of 'Apocryphal Story "avgarozis epistle" in Avgarozi (Sinuri translation)' with nice images: http://translate.google.bs/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&u=http://anchiskhati.ge/geo/avgarozi.htm

'It's I who made the image of Edessa' said Christ: on edessa.jpg (Anchiskhati.ge) now 44mNT.jpg cropped 380x649, then another nice image jvari2012-1.jpg now 2rW42.jpg cropped 510x435 from Anchiskhathi.ge:
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'The Image of Edessa is known in Eastern Orthodoxy as the Mandylion. The first record of the Image was written in the 6th century. The Image was associated with the tale told in the The Doctrine of Addai, a mid-fourth century manuscript describing how Jesus imprinted his image upon a washcloth and sent it to the King Agbar to cure his leprosy. In the 10th century it was moved to Constantinople. In 1204 it is recorded as a relic in Sainte Chapelle in Paris but vanished during the French Revolution.
In 544 it protected Edessa against a raid by the Persians.'

- this quote is on sites.tufts.edu 'True Images of Christ on Textiles' article of 'Textile Relics' Research Guide : http://sites.tufts.edu/textilerelics/2011/02/08/true-images-of-christ-on-textiles/

The Holy Equal-to-the-Apostles Emperor of Iveria Mirian and the Holy Empress Nana : on HolyTrinityOrthodox.com : http://www.holytrinityorthodox.com/calendar/los/October/01-06.htm

' During the reign of King Aderki of Kartli, the Jewish diaspora in Mtskheta learned that a wondrous Child had been born in Jerusalem. Then, thirty years later, a man came from Jerusalem to deliver this message: “The youth has grown up. He calls Himself the Son of God and preaches to us the New Covenant. We have sent envoys to every Jewish diaspora to urge the scholars of the religion to come to Jerusalem and judge what measures should be taken in regard to this matter.”
In response to the envoy’s request and at the recommendation of the Jewish Sanhedrin, Elioz of Mtskheta and Longinoz of Karsani were chosen to journey to Jerusalem. Elioz of Mtskheta was born to a pious family, and as his mother prepared him for the journey, she tearfully begged him not to take any part in the spilling of the blood of the Messiah.
When the Roman soldiers were nailing our Savior to the Cross on Golgotha, Elioz’s mother miraculously heard each strike of the hammer. She cried out in fear, “Farewell majesty of the Jews! For inasmuch as you have killed your Savior and Redeemer, henceforth you have become your own enemies!” With this she breathed her last.
After the soldiers had cast lots for the Robe of our Lord, it was acquired by Elioz and Longinoz, and with great honor they carried it back with them to Mtskheta. Upon their arrival, Elioz met his sister Sidonia, who took from him the Sacred Robe. With much grief she listened to the story of our Savior’s Crucifixion, clutched the Robe to her breast, and immediately gave up her spirit.
Many miracles were worked by the Robe, and news of this flashed like lightning throughout Mtskheta. King Aderki had a great desire to possess the Robe but, frightened by the miracles, he did not attempt to free it from Sidonia’s embrace. Elioz was obliged to bury his sister and the Precious Robe together. A cypress tree grew up on Sidonia’s grave. When the disciples of Christ cast lots after Pentecost, the lot for evangelizing Georgia fell to the Most Holy Theotokos. But Christ revealed to His Mother that it was not His will for her to preach there. “You have been entrusted to protect the Georgian nation,” He said, “but the role of evangelizing that land belongs to My disciple Andrew the First-called. Send him with an image of your face “Not-Made-By- Hands” to protect the Georgian people to the end of the ages!” .. - read more on HolyTrinityOrthodox.com, please .. wondrous wonderful story!..
 
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ICONs are ART not idols: on InJesus.com : http://injesus.com/message-archives/inspiration/Triumphal_Lamp_Oil87/icons-are-art-not-idols
Are holy icons ‘idols’?: on oodegr.com : http://www.oodegr.com/english/ekklisia/praktikes/eikones1.htm
Veneration of Images: on NewAdvent.org : http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07664a.htm

'St. John of Damascus (675-749) and St. Theodore of Studios (759-826) wrote extensive treatises explaining the reasons for and the importance of icon veneration. The Damascene argued that "it is not divine beauty which is given form and shape, but the human form which is rendered by the painter's brush. Therefore, if the Son of God became man and appeared in man's nature, why should his image not be made?"
The Studite defended icons on the basis of the ideas of identity and necessity: "Man himself is created after the image and likeness of God; therefore there is something divine in the art of making images. . . As perfect man Christ not only can but must be represented and worshipped in images: let this be denied and Christ's economy of the salvation is virtually destroyed."
'Iconoclasts, having rejected all representations of God, failed to take full account of the Incarnation. If one does not allow Christ's humanity one betrays the Incarnation and the belief our body and our soul must be saved and transfigured. Iconoclasm was not only a controversy about religious art, but about the Incarnation and the salvation of souls. The Empress Irene suspended the iconoclastic persecutions in 780. Seven years later the Seventh Ecumenical Synod in Nicaea reaffirmed the veneration of icons.' - on st-veronica-medal.com : http://st-veronica-medal.com/st-veronica-pics.htm
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Eg. of Very holy icon: Panagia Portaitissa - The Iveron Mother of God 'Keeper of the gate' icon on oodegr.com : http://www.oodegr.com/tourkika/eikones/eikones/Panagia_Portaitissa.jpg
The Iveron Mother of God, and the Myrrh-Streaming Icons of Hawaii: on pravoslavie.ru : http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/49458.htm

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Other images not made by human hands - evidence of Jesus' love for us - are Acheiropoietos of Ever Virgin Holy Mery, Mother of God.

First: our beloved Virgin of Guadalupe .. La Morenita
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Our Lady of Guadalupe image on Man in the Maze maninthemaze.blogspot.fr : http://maninthemaze.blogspot.fr/2011/12/our-lady-of-guadalupe.html
Facts On Our Lady Of Guadalupe : on onestep87.blogspot.fr : http://onestep87.blogspot.fr/2011/04/facts-on-our-lady-of-guadalupe.html
'Scientists today cannot really explain the image on Juan's tilma. The fabric that the tilma was made with was a type of cactus which is supposed to disintegrate between twenty-sixty years, but after about four hundred fifty years it is still intact. Most shockingly about that is the fact that there is nothing covering it to protect it from disintegrating. When looking under a microscope scientists could find no proof of brush strokes to prove that it was painted on. The image seems to increase in size and change colors due to an unknown property of the surface and substance of which it is made. According to Kodac, the picture feels more like a photograph, but photography was not invented until three hundred years after the miracle happened. After multiple times of trying to reproduce the image no one has been able to succeed in making another exact replica. I personally find the eyes of this image the most amazing of all the other scientific facts. If one is looking at the eyes of the image very closely then it would be easy to see a reflection of images of people believed to be Juan, the Bishop, the interpreter, and a few others. It is believed that the reflection shows the reactions of those in the room as Juan's tilma was opened. The distortion and place of the images are identical to what is produced in the normal eye which is impossible to obtain on a flat surface. Lastly, the stars in the sky show the exact way the constellations were the night of the miracle.'
Our Lady of Guadalupe: links on sancta.org : http://www.sancta.org/
- very good intro: http://www.sancta.org/intro.html - I read this with great wonder:
'In 1531 a "Lady from Heaven" appeared to a humble Native American at Tepeyac, a hill northwest of what is now Mexico City.
She identified herself as the ever virgin Holy Mary, Mother of the True God for whom we live, of the Creator of all things, Lord of heaven and the earth.
She made a request for a church to be built on the site, and submitted her wish to the local Bishop. When the Bishop hesitated, and requested her for a sign, the Mother of God obeyed without delay or question to the Church's local Bishop, and sent her native messenger to the top of the hill in mid-December to gather an assortment of roses for the Bishop.
After complying to the Bishop's request for a sign, She also left for us an image of herself imprinted miraculously on the native's tilma, a poor quality cactus-cloth, which should have deteriorated in 20 years but shows no sign of decay 480 years later and still defies all scientific explanations of its origin.
It apparently even reflects in Her eyes what was in front of her in 1531.
Her message of love and compassion, and her universal promise of help and protection to all mankind, as well as the story of the apparitions, are described in the "Nican Mopohua", a 16th century document written in the native Nahuatl language.
There is reason to believe that at Tepeyac Mary came in her glorified body, and her actual physical hands rearranged the roses in Juan Diego’s tilma, which makes this apparition very special.
An incredible list of miracles, cures and interventions are attributed to Her. Yearly, between 18 - 20 million pilgrims visit the Basilica, making it Christianity's most visited sanctuary.'
The Apparitions And Miracle of Our Lady Of Guadalupe - on luisapiccarreta.com/guadalupe : http://luisapiccarreta.com/guadalupe/the-apparitions-and-miracle-of-our-lady-of-guadalupe/
'All written narrations about the apparitions of the Lady of Guadalupe are inspired by the Nican Mopohua, or Huei Tlamahuitzoltica, written in Nahuatl, the Aztec language, by the Indian scholar Antonio Valeriano around the middle of the sixteenth century.
Unfortunately the original of his work has not been found. A copy was first published in Nahuatl by Luis Lasso de la Vega in 1649.'
 
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Here's how 'NICAN MOPOHUA' tells us the first appparition:
'Ten years after the seizure of the city of Mexico, war came to an end and there was peace amongst the people; in this manner faith started to bud, the understanding of the true God, for whom we live. At that time, in the year fifteen hundred and thirty one, in the early days of the month of December, it happened that there lived a poor Indian, named Juan Diego, said being a native of Cuautitlan. Of all things spiritually he belonged to Tlatilolco.
FIRST APPARITION:
On a Saturday just before dawn, he was on his way to pursue divine worship and to engage in his own errands. As he reached the base of the hill known as Tepeyac, came the break of day, and he heard singing atop the hill, resembling singing of varied beautiful birds.
Occasionally the voices of the songsters would cease, and it appeared as if the mount responded. The song, very mellow and delightful, excelled that of the coyoltototl and the tzinizcan and of other pretty singing birds. Juan Diego stopped to look and said to himself: “By fortune, am I worthy of what I hear? Maybe I dream? Am I awakening? Where am I? Perhaps I am now in the terrestrial paradise which our elders had told us about? Perhaps I am now in heaven?” He was looking toward the east, on top of the mound, from whence came the precious celestial chant; and then it suddenly ceased and there was silence. He then heard a voice from above the mount saying to him: “Juanito, Juan Dieguito.” Then he ventured and went to where he was called. He was not frightened in the least; on the contrary, overjoyed.
Then he climbed the hill, to see from were he was being called. When he reached the summit, he saw a Lady, who was standing there and told him to come hither. Approaching her presence, he marveled greatly at her superhuman grandeur; her garments were shining like the sun; the cliff where she rested her feet, pierced with glitter, resembling an anklet of precious stones, and the earth sparkled like the rainbow. The mezquites, nopales, and other different weeds, which grow there, appeared like emeralds, their foliage like turquoise, and their branches and thorns glistened like gold. He bowed before her and herd her word, tender and courteous, like someone who charms and steems you highly.
She said: “Juanito, the most humble of my sons, where are you going?” He replied: “My Lady and Child, I have to reach your church in Mexico, Tlatilolco, to pursue things divine, taught and given to us by our priests, delegates of Our Lord.” She then spoke to him: “Know and understand well, you the most humble of my son, that I am the ever virgin Holy Mary, Mother of the True God for whom we live, of the Creator of all things, Lord of heaven and the earth. I wish that a temple be erected here quickly, so I may therein exhibit and give all my love, compassion, help, and protection, because I am your merciful mother, to you, and to all the inhabitants on this land and all the rest who love me, invoke and confide in me; listen there to their lamentations, and remedy all their miseries, afflictions and sorrows. And to accomplish what my clemency pretends, go to the palace of the bishop of Mexico, and you will say to him that I manifest my great desire, that here on this plain a temple be built to me; you will accurately relate all you have seen and admired, and what you have heard. Be assured that I will be most grateful and will reward you, because I will make you happy and worthy of recompense for the effort and fatigue in what you will obtain of what I have entrusted. Behold, you have heard my mandate, my humble son; go and put forth all your effort.”
At this point he bowed before her and said: “My Lady, I am going to comply with your mandate; now I must part from you, I, your humble servant.” Then he descended to go to comply with the errand, and went by the avenue which runs directly into Mexico City.'
The magnificent suite also - read directly on the luisapiccarreta.com site, please - you will not be disappointed ..;)
- There is reason to believe ..

A CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS RELATED TO THE MIRACLE: http://www.sancta.org/table.html

Our Lady of Guadalupe - on Free Masonry Watch FreeMasonryWatch.org : http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/our.lady.of.guadalupe.html

Our Lady of Guadalupe " Patroness of the Americas " - THE POSITION OF THE CHURCH - APPROVED : on InDefenseOfTheCross.com : http://www.indefenseofthecross.com/Guadalupe.htm

A PRAYER TO OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE : on ourcatholicprayers.com : http://www.ourcatholicprayers.com/our-lady-of-guadalupe.html

AKATHIST to Our Lady of Guadalupe : on ukrainian-orthodoxy.org : http://www.ukrainian-orthodoxy.org/prayer/akathists/OurLadyofGuadalupe.htm

On acheiropoietos.umk.pl gallery: http://www.acheiropoietos.umk.pl/galeria.php - we have the best quality TRUE (not the copy) images of Virgen of Guadalupe: Guadalupe%20twarz.jpg 1200x1800 pixels and Guadalupe.jpg 1200x1800 pixels. Click only on the Guadalupe bigger images, and you have 1200x1800 images on your computer. Is it not marvellous?..;)

You have here the quality picture 601x800 of Virgen of Guadalupe - Our Lady of Guadalupe TRUE Tilma Face image Sharpened & Denoised, from 28453950.jpg on imagessaintes.canalblog.com : http://translate.googleusercontent....nalblog.com/archives/2008/07/30/10084879.html
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On the Cristeros story, and about a fabulous film 'For a Greater Glory' - look on Post #2, please ..
 
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LYDDA Icon copy: NEAMTS Mother of God Icon : on stpaisiusmonastery.org : http://stpaisiusmonastery.org/about-the-monastery/life-of-st-paisius/neamts-mother-of-god/

'The Wonderworking Mother of God Icon from Neamts Monastery is the oldest documented icon in Romania, and considered the most valuable, from a historical and spiritual point of view. The icon was donated to the Moldovan King Alexander the Good in the year 1401 by the Byzantine Emperor Manuel Paleologos. For over 600 years this icon strengthened the Christian Orthodox faith of kings, monastics and the faithful throughout Romania.
Commissioned by St. Germanos in the year 665 in Lydda, it is a copy of an icon of the Mother of God from the year 35. On the reverse side it features an icon of the Great Martyr George, born in Lydda. It was brought to Constantinople by St. Germanos when he became Patriarch, and given as a gift to the Heleopatra Monastery. At the beginning of the iconoclast persecution of the Byzantine Emperor Leo the Armenian, in 714, the icon was hidden, and in 716 was secretly sent by St. Germanos to Rome to Pope Gregory III.' ..
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EDIT: Very beautiful icon that goes to the heart .. It is said that the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church are sister Churches .. My heart tells me so ..
'But as the tunic was woven in one piece from top to bottom, 24. they said, "Let us not tear it ..' (John 19.23) .. the unity that comes from above .. from the Father: that unity could not be divided by all those who have received, remaining wholly and absolutely indissoluble.
Can not possess the garment of Christ, the one that divides and separates the Church of Christ.' - St.Cipriano third century.
Some links on common relationship:

Pope John Paul II:
'It is my heartfelt hope that wherever Oriental Catholics and Orthodox live side by side there will be established relations which are fraternal, mutually respectful and sincerely seeking a common testimony to the one Lord. This will help not only coexistence in practical circumstances but will also facilitate the theological dialogue directed to overcoming whatever still divides Catholics and Orthodox. Being faithful witnesses to Jesus Christ who has set us free should be the main concern in our time of cultural, social and political changes, so that we can preach together and with credibility the one Gospel of salvation, and be builders of peace and reconciliation in a world always threatened by conflicts and wars.
Entrusting these sentiments and hopes to the intercession of the Virgin Theotokos, venerated both in the East and in the West, that as the Hodegitria she may guide all Christians on the path of the Gospel and of full communion ..' - here : LETTER TO EUROPEAN BISHOPS ON THE RECENT CHANGES IN CENTRAL AND EASTERN EUROPE: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/j...0531_relationships-catholics-orthodox_en.html

'The light of the East has illumined the universal Church, from the moment when "a rising sun" appeared above us (Lk 1:78): Jesus Christ, our Lord, whom all Christians invoke as the Redeemer of man and the hope of the world.' ..
'Since, in fact, we believe that the venerable and ancient tradition of the Eastern Churches is an integral part of the heritage of Christ's Church, the first need for Catholics is to be familiar with that tradition, so as to be nourished by it and to encourage the process of unity in the best way possible for each.
Our Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters are very conscious of being the living bearers of this tradition, together with our Orthodox brothers and sisters.' ..
'We have almost everything in common; .. and above all, we have in common the true longing for unity.' ..
'This appeal calls on the Churches of the East and the West to concentrate on the essential: "We cannot come before Christ, the Lord of history, as divided as we have unfortunately been in the course of the second millennium. These divisions must give way to rapprochement and harmony; the wounds on the path of Christian unity must be healed." ' ..
UT UNUM SINT: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/j...ts/hf_jp-ii_enc_25051995_ut-unum-sint_en.html
ECUMENISM IN THE PONTIFICATE OF JOHN PAUL II - Cardinal Nasrallah Pierre Sfeir Patriarch of Antioch for Maronites: http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/ECUMENSM.HTM
SUMMARY OF THE ROMAN - ORTHODOXY SCHISM OF 1045 A. D.: http://www.reu.org/public/theological/Schism1054/index.htm
Athenagoras I (Spyrou) of Constantinople: OrthodoxWiki.org: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Athenagoras_I_(Spyrou)_of_Constantinople
Demetrius I (Papadopoulos) of Constantinople: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Demetrius_I_of_Constantinople
Bartholomew I (Archontonis) of Constantinople: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Bartholomew_I
Church leaders send joint message to Poland and Russia : loamagazine.org : http://www.loamagazine.org/pg/en/news/church_leaders_send_joint.html
God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself, not holding anyone’s faults against them, but entrusting to us the message of reconciliation (2 Cor 5: 19)
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“Embrace! You Are Brothers!” : on journeytoorthodoxy.com : http://journeytoorthodoxy.com/2012/09/22/embrace-you-are-brothers/

EDIT: Yes, read this nice explanation about 'Icon of the Mother of God of Lydda or “the Roman” ' on antiochian.org : http://www.antiochian.org/node/18853
'According to Tradition, the Apostles Peter and John were preaching in Lydda (later called Diospolis) near Jerusalem. There they built a church dedicated to the Most Holy Theotokos, then went to Jerusalem and asked her to come and sanctify the church by her presence. She sent them back to Lydda saying, “Go in peace, and I shall be there with you.”
Arriving at Lydda, they found an icon of the Virgin imprinted in color on the wall of the church (some sources say the image was on a pillar). The Mother of God then appeared and rejoiced at the number of people who had gathered there. She blessed the icon and gave it the power to work miracles. This icon was not made by the hand of man, but by a divine power.' ..
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Atskuri Holy Virgin icon - icon of Atskuri of the Blessed Virgin Mary:

'There's a famous Holy tradition that says after some time apostles and Most Holy Theotokos cast a lot who would teach the way and in what countries. The cas for Georgia fell on Most Holy Theotokos. She was ready to travel to Georgia, but an Angel delivered message to her that God did not want to her to go there for now since her days were nearing. So Christ directed her to send 2 apostles Andrew the first-called and Simon Canaanite. These two went to Georgia and first taught Christianity there. Later Mattathias (who was chosen instead of Judas Iscariot) went to preach in Georgia. In fact 2 of them (Simon Canaanite and Mattathias) are buried in Georgia per our Holy tradition. By the way, before 2 apostles went to Georgia, Most Holy Theotokos took a piece of wood, put it in front of her Most Holy face and her image was miraculously transferred to the wood. So the Icon, not-made-by-hand, of Most Holy Theotokos was created and she sent it with the apostles.' - this quote on: orthodoxchristianity.net/forum : http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=17090.0

Another website says: 'The Holy Apostle Andrew preached in different parts of Eastern and Western of Georgia. After preaching and converting people in the small town of Atskveri (the Kingdom of Kartli), he left the Icon of the Holy Mother of God there. Since then the Icon has rested at the Atskveri (Atskuri) Cathedral over the centuries.'

Another website: 'The Apostle left the icon of the Virgin Mary in the city. This is why the celebration in the honor of Atskuri icon the Mother of God takes place on August 15/28th.' -
- on caucasustours.com: Ancient Christian Country: http://caucasustours.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=120&Itemid=129

'Instead of Mary Apostle Andrew went to Iberia with the image of the Virgin. ..
In the city of Atskuri (not far from the modern Akhaltsikhe ..) St. Andrew performed a miracle – revived the dead by the prayer. This unprecedented miracle shocked the inhabitants and they were baptized. Andrew had left the Icon to the people. Now it is known as Icon of Atskuri of the Blessed Virgin Mary. It is considered to be miraculous and since 1952 it is stored at the State Museum of Art History of Georgia named after Amiranashvili.' (Wikipedia: officially known as 'Shalva Amiranashvili Museum of Fine Arts' .. it is located near Tavisuplebis Moedani (Freedom Square), Tbilisi) -
- this quote is from Very good read on facebook. com Blog "Walking around Georgia": The eve of Easter : http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=196403450405750

Here's the image of the icon, on Wikipedia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Atskuri_icon.jpg I enhanced:
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Our Lady of Absam, Our Lady of Clemency, or Our Lady of Mercy of Absam
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'The shrine is probably the only one in the world where Our Lady’s shrine is enclosed in glass. It dates from the late 18th century.
On a dark snowy day in 1797, Rosina Bucher, a young girl of the village of Absam near Innsbruck (Austria), was sitting by the window sewing. It was between three and four in the afternoon and the light was just beginning to fade. Rosina looked up and saw a face in the window pane. She looked closely, not sure that she saw right, and finally called her mother.
Others, including the parish priest, were called in to observe the strange happening. All agreed that it was a face, the face of the Mother of Sorrows. It was turned slightly and there was a strange expression on it.
The window was made up of several small panes of glass quite dark in color. They removed the pane of glass with the picture on it, which was on the inside of the double window. After they had examined the glass ..' - read more at Our Lady of Clemency: on roman-catholic-saints.com : http://www.roman-catholic-saints.com/our-lady-of-clemency.html
'Rosina, her mother, and shortly the parish priest and neighbors, all identified the face as portrait of the Virgin Mary, miraculously formed in the glass. Then her father and brother came home from work, having narrowly escaped a mine disaster.' .. read more on Maria Absam, Absam, Tirol, Austria : http://www.wherewewalked.info/feasts/01-January/january_17.htm
'This miraculous image of Our Lady of Absam, not made by human hands (acheropite) is now enshrined in the local church with the blessing of the parish priest and the local bishop for over 200 years.' .. read more on Our Lady of Absam : HolyFaceofManoppello.blogspot.fr : http://holyfaceofmanoppello.blogspot.fr/2011/03/our-lady-of-absam.html
'The miraculous image of Our Lady of Absam can be seen in a side altar of the parish church of Absam. The glass pane is just seven inches tall and five inches wide, but the face of Mary can be clearly seen. It is enclosed in a metal shrine with golden rays, a golden crown, golden flowers, and precious jewels. The face of the Virgin in the image is young and gentle and befits the most affectionate title used commonly by Austrians and Germans for the Virgin Mary: "Our Dear Lady" ' (Unsere Liebe Frau). - read more on Shrine of Our Lady of Absam on Sacred-Destinations.com : http://www.sacred-destinations.com/austria/absam-shrine-of-our-lady
Hail Mary, full of grace,
The Lord is with Thee;
Blessed art thou among women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners,
Now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
THE HAIL MARY : on ourcatholicprayers.com : http://www.ourcatholicprayers.com/hail-mary.html
AKATHIST For All the Icons of the Mother of God : http://www.ukrainian-orthodoxy.org/prayer/allIcons.htm

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Ancient Pictures of Jesus Christ in the West and the East, inspired by the Shroud of Turin and the Veil of Manoppello

Latest Good News: 'God has left an image of his Face on earth!' (Mother Columba quote).
- an Uncountable Number of Images of the Risen Christ!

An Uncountable Number of Images of the Risen Christ : on holyfaceofmanoppello.blogspot.fr : http://holyfaceofmanoppello.blogspot.fr/2011/03/uncountable-number-of-images-of-risen.html

'Paul Badde, the author of "The Face of God: The Rediscovery of the True Face of Jesus on the Holy Face of Manoppello" (Ignatius Press) is interviewed by Genevieve Pollock and gives the best summary and commentary to date on the significance and importance of the Holy Face of Manoppello. Badde continues to announce this special witness to Christ, which he says features "an uncountable number of images of the Risen Christ". Badde weaves together all the many strands of the history of this "secret veil". He also shines the light on Pope Benedict's lifelong interest in the Face of God, and reveals the interest in the Holy Face on the part of many in the Orthodox tradition as evidenced by Sr. Columba, an Orthodox nun whom he quotes "God has left an image of his Face on earth!" Badde believes that the Holy Face will change the "face of the world" in a way similar to the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe which "changed the map and history in Mexico after she had appeared and left her image there on December 12, 1531." '

So here I have prepared for you some pics of Manoppello Veil, which I like very much .. I enhanced all:

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Psalms, 27, 7-9:
7. Hear my voice when I call, O Lord, have mercy on me and answer. 8. My heart says to you, "I seek your face, O Lord." 9. Do not hide your face from me nor turn away your servant in anger. You are my protector, do not reject me abandon me not, O God my savior!
Leia mais em: http://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/21/21/27.php#ixzz22Kum58Hd
 
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Jesus Christ in the East and the West pictures

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Egyptian Coptic Christians Do Not Lose Faith, Despite the Violence and Oppression. .. blood-stained painting of Jesus Christ, after terrorist attack on Coptic Church - zpSjn.jpg scaled 300x300

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Here: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search?q=http://www.linceul-turin.com/histoire-saint-suaire-linceul-turin/Saint%2520Suaire-Mandylion-Image%2520Edesse/Saint%2520Suaire-Mandylion-Image-Edesse.html&hl=en&biw=1240&bih=886&prmd=imvns&rurl=translate.google.bs&sl=fr&u=http://www.linceul-turin.com/histoire-saint-suaire-linceul-turin/Saint%20Suaire-Mandylion-Image%20Edesse/Saint%20Suaire-Mandylion-Image-Edesse.html - yes, here you have these descriptions:
1200, Nicolas Mésaritès : "The legislator himself drawn as a first impression, printed on the towel and chased in the brittle ceramic art as a graphic elaborated not by the hand ..."
1204, Robert of Clari: 'there was a tile' ..
Image source: srpskoblago.org/Archives/Decani/exhibits/Frescoes/Dome/SecondLevel/ ..: http://www.srpskoblago.org/Archives/Decani/exhibits/Frescoes/Dome/SecondLevel/CX4K1553_l.html
- too http://www.srpskoblago.org/Archives/Decani/index.html
- but today July 31, 2012 sorry - http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.srpskoblago.org/Archives/Decani/index.html says: 'It's not just you! http://www.srpskoblago.org looks down from here.' Pitty, very nice site srpskoblago.org is down today! Help!
And Internet Archive the Wayback Machine - NO images ..: http://web.archive.org/web/20100901...its/Frescoes/Dome/SecondLevel/CX4K1553_l.html
For now too on full-of-grace-and-truth.blogspot.fr : http://full-of-grace-and-truth.blogspot.fr/2010/08/holy-mandylion-napkin-of-christ-not.html
Monastery Decani description (by Internet Archive Wayback Machine!..):
'Visoki Decani Monastery is a major Serbian Orthodox monastery, situated in Kosovo & Metohija, 12 km south from the town of Pec. Its cathedral is the biggest medieval church in the Balkans which contains the largest preserved monument of Byzantine fresco-painting.
The monastery was established in a chestnut grove by king Stefan Decanski in 1327. Its original founding charter is dated to 1330, however. Next year the king died and was buried at the monastery, which henceforth became his popular shrine. The construction activities were continued by his son Stefan Dusan until 1335, but the wall-painting was not completed until 1350.
The cathedral, dedicated to Christ Pantocrator and built from blocks of red-purple, light-yellow and onyx marble, was constructed by master-builders under the Franciscan monk Vitus of Kotor. It is distinguished from other contemporary Serbian churches by its imposing dimensions and obvious Romanesque features. Its celebrated frescoes comprise some 1000 portraits and cover all major themes of the New Testament. The cathedral contains original 14th-century wooden iconostasis, hegumen's throne and carved sarcophagus of king Stefan.
In 2004, UNESCO listed the monastery on the World Heritage List, citing its frescoes as "one of the most valued examples of the so-called Palaeologan renaissance in Byzantine painting" and "a valuable record of the life in the 14th century".'
Help srpskoblago.org, help BLAGO work, help Decani!
EDIT: Today August 6, 2012 14:04 West European (Paris) time, I found the working link on Blago Archives:
Blago Archives srpskoblago.org/Archives : http://www.srpskoblago.org/Archives/ ..to follow ..

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Christ Pantocrator fresco from the 4th or 5th century in the crypt of Saint Cecilia - St Callixtus catacomb - now TUSGp.jpg scaled 500x667, on francismarotti.blogspot.fr : http://francismarotti.blogspot.fr/2...html#!/2009/03/catacombs-of-st-callixtus.html , then Right this same: Catacomb of St. Callixtus - Christ Pantocrator - YgKkM.jpg 353x243 - source image eg. josemariaescriva.info : http://www.josemariaescriva.info/article/the-catacombs-of-st-callixtus

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Christ and St. Urban on St. Cecilia crypt in San Callisto - St. Callixtus catacomb, Rome - magnoliabox.com dga405172.jpg now GKMpf.jpg scaled 550x692 Magnoliabox.com : http://www.magnoliabox.com/art/391778/Christ_and_St_Urban

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Jesus Christ on Mandylion - Image of Edessa

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Icon of king Abgar - l’icona del re Abgar - Gesù visto con gli occhi della madre Maria - gbkYc.jpg 300x353, and: Mandylion di Edessa, 18 c., The Royal Collection Trust, Hampton Court, England - FTbds.jpg 248x302

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The Holy Christ's Face, the Vernicle - Rostov-Suzdal painting 14 c., Russia - bSvqD.jpg scaled 800x1032
- on katolikforum.ru : http://translate.google.bs/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://katolikforum.ru/topic/1352/

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Sfanta Mahrama a Domnului - Mahrama Mandilion - Holy veil of God - Mandylion of Edessa - The Most Holy Image - Mandylion Wujsko Sanok - iZBPK.jpg 890x795, on historiasztuki.com.pl : http://www.historiasztuki.com.pl/020_MON_IKONOGRAFIA-023-BIZ.html

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Christ Acheiropoietos iconsexplained.com- - Holy Keramion, Holy Napkin, a Novgorodian icon 1100 - ytftC.jpg 665x665

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Holy Face of Laon Slavic 13th century - JmIfO.jpg 700x781
- on: http://www.greekorthodoxmonastery.org/MainPages/IconGallery/source/byzantineicon95.htm

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Wow! lots of stuff to read here...Me and my wife saw this documentary on tv and it blew our minds seeing an image of Jesus's face at the end...Not sure how accurate the photo is, but I do believe that it could happen and one day we will surely see his face!
Thanks for posting this Prorootect
 

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Wow! lots of stuff to read here...Me and my wife saw this documentary on tv and it blew our minds seeing an image of Jesus's face at the end...Not sure how accurate the photo is, but I do believe that it could happen and one day we will surely see his face!
Thanks for posting this Prorootect

Thank you! We all thank Jesus for all especially those miraculous pictures he gives us, and for all the miracles of life .. daily miracles for each one, you and me .. And he - the neighbor .. even that does not render the account of all this .. But he'll understand when it passes beyond. But pity he spends life in total ignorance, near the True Science. It's like not even wise, I think, because the Good Lord gave us the intelligence. It is wise at least to be well informed, whatever ..
A gift for you - the icon of King Abgar, simply;):

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NDE Near Death Experience .. .. ..
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Death awaits you and me.

.. yes, I found the good links about NDE - on Free Christian Teaching cool site, so look on the Post #2 (the first page of this topic) and Post #44 (5th page already ..)
- and this: The Existence of the Immortal Soul: by ks. Mieczysław Piotrowski TChr : on Love One Another loamagazine.org : http://www.loamagazine.org/nr/eternal_life/the_existence_of_the.html

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FIVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN JESUS…..: on ONE HEART…..THE SPIRITUAL JESUS - 1heart.com : http://1heart.com/?page_id=173

'Lori is a dear friend in my life. Years and years ago I understand that she was studying in a convent to become a nun. For reasons that I probably just don’t remember now, she decided that being a nun wasn’t her calling and left. She had a tremendously successful life as a businesswoman, made wise investments, and is, today, happily in love with the person she will be with for the rest of her life. Before she got into her wonderful relationship she told me several times that she had seen Jesus. And that was all she said. I didn’t want to pry. I have pestered Lori again and again, during this past year, to look at the 1956 picture of Jesus and tell me if that is the same Jesus she saw. But Lori was busy being in love and she never answered me. But she did this morning…and this is what she said: “Yes, it is the closest picture I have ever seen, but it doesn’t look exactly like Him. But it is a beautiful picture and it definitely is Him. Oh, and by the way, Lynne, when I saw Him, He said that He would never abandon me. And another thing, Lynne, I think your site is excellent and I think you will begin to reach out to others online instead of seeing them in an office as you’re used to doing. And I also think that will be better because that way you can help more people even than you have before.” And that was it. I don’t at all doubt that Lori has seen Jesus. I think that this story is not finished. Do you have the same thought? Lori is a wonderful person. I’m grateful she’s in my life.'
 
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Prorootect said:
Thank you! We all thank Jesus for all especially those miraculous pictures he gives us, and for all the miracles of life .. daily miracles for each one, you and me .. And he - the neighbor .. even that does not render the account of all this .. But he'll understand when it passes beyond. But pity he spends life in total ignorance, near the True Science. It's like not even wise, I think, because the Good Lord gave us the intelligence. It is wise at least to be well informed, whatever ..

OK Prorootect, this is getting dangerously preachy...

It's one thing to post religious imagery, it's completely another to start calling people who do not believe the same things as you, ignorant or stupid. (And yes, I'm aware you're going to say that this wasn't your intention, but please re-read what you wrote and honestly tell me that you did not just say what I have paraphrased...)

Religious topics are strictly forbidden on many forums because they tend to turn into shouting matches because too many people are intolerant of the beliefs of others.

Due to this, I'm telling you before this gets out of control, that if you continue to post comments like the one I quoted above, this thread will be locked and removed from public viewing.
 
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For a non religious person like me, it is interesting to read the thread despite my own beliefs and opinions on religion. However at the same time I do agree with HeffeD. I got confused when I read his post yesterday and thought I maybe misunderstood so I held the comments to myself because I am aware that there is language barrier within this forum.
 

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Biozfear said:
For a non religious person like me, it is interesting to read the thread despite my own beliefs and opinions on religion.

As I said, I have no problem with the images, and even the articles because they are written from an impersonal perspective.

I also find research into subjects like this interesting, even if they are different from what I may or may not believe. (I have actually read several books on the subject of the Shroud)

The problem was when Prorootect crossed the impersonal boundary into almost name-calling territory.
 
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Plexx

RE: Latest News and pictures on the Shroud of Turin

Fair enough.

HeffeD, any documentaries you recommend?
 

HeffeD

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RE: Latest News and pictures on the Shroud of Turin

Documentaries? It's been a while, but the History Channel has aired a couple of specials about the shroud. I think one was called, The Real Face of Jesus? And one was just called, The Shroud of Turin, which was part of their Histories Mysteries, if I remember correctly. I've seen another that I think was called, Jesus and the Shroud of Turin.

I find the research and the history interesting, even though it doesn't coincide with my beliefs.
 
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Plexx

RE: Latest News and pictures on the Shroud of Turin

History channel, got that here so I might check out and if not check online.

I usually watch History Channel and National Geographic. Both of them have interesting programs.
 
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