Hot Take uBlock Origin MV2 no longer Featured extension in Chrome Web Store

SeriousHoax

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Google knew what it was doing when it specified a limit of 30,000 rules. It will take advantage of that limit such that 30,000 rules will not be enough to block ads.
Actually, initially it was only 5,000 I think. But after backlash and when AdGuard showed a detailed report on why at least 30,000 rules would be essential they opted to follow AdGuard's advice. They also changed many things to comply with many changes suggested by adblock developers and filter maintainers (especially AdGuard) which is surprising but impressive from Google's part.
Gorhill does not want to add functionality that assists its users to violate copyright protections and theft of product. Bypassing the pay wall and then reading the content is a criminal act. So cannot blame Gorhill in being steadfast against incorporating anything that enables users to steal. Theft is theft. Somehow people think in the digital space it is not or that it is not that big of a deal. It is and people go to jail for it. Any software publisher that creates software that can be used to steal content can be charged as an accessory or for aiding & abetting in certain legal jurisdictions.
Technically you are correct about paywall. I just used that paywall bypassing filter list as an example, it can be any filter list, or custom rules created by the users. So no, that's not the reason why gorhill is refusing. He didn't even want to create an extension for MV3 until AdGuard released their experimental MV3 extension.
 
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Actually, initially it was only 5,000 I think. But after backlash and when AdGuard showed a detailed report on why at least 30,000 rules would be essential they opted to follow AdGuard's advice. They also changed many things to comply with many changes suggested by adblock developers and filter maintainers (especially AdGuard) which is surprising but impressive from Google's part.
Indeed, this was the case and also the reason Kees1958 introduced the World's Most Used Ad & Trackers list.
 

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One important point that nobody is mentioning:

With MV3 enforcement, in time, the traditional filterlists will most likely be deprecated and abandoned. Why would anyone waste time & effort to maintain a filterlist just to be used with ublock origin on Firefox? I say this because I am so tired of reading comments online on various forums & reddit by Firefox users that 'this will be the end of Chromium browsers' and 'Firefox will gain marketshare massively' and so on.

Average people just don't care. The rest will just install an MV3 extension + DNS filtering (maybe) and move on.
 

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With MV3 enforcement, in time, the traditional filterlists will most likely be deprecated and abandoned. Why would anyone waste time & effort to maintain a filterlist just to be used with ublock origin on Firefox?
I think you have valid points but remember that Brave developers play a big part in filter list maintenance. Ryan aka @fanboyNZ works for them. I think @yuki works for Adguard. So, while some of the many lists at filterlist.org may disappear, Brave, Adguard, Ghostery and others will work to maintain the most important default lists. I agree that there will be no mass migration to Firefox. As you say, people are stuck in their ways. Hell, most people use Chrome with no adblocker at all. They have no idea, could care less, etc.
 
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is it lite on the system still on the fence about buying it but it seems like the only choice for now.
Its light on the systems, no doubt about that. You can get lifetime license: personal 15$ or family 30$ so its cheap. Also it makes browser extension adblockers feeling like ripoff as adguard will block ads completely on twitch, kick, yt etc, while other adblockers tend to have problems with them constantly. Im happy user of adguard since 2020 and this was promote post about it (jk)

I like ublock lite and mw3 adguard, but you have to use cosmetic filter alot, also they both seem to be lackin when it comes into popups on some sites...but most people that uses adblockers will be happy with them, as before
 

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I echo what's been said about adguard for Windows. At this point, for me, it's the only way to go in regards to mv3. Floorp, as good as it is, still feels clunky and outdate compared to the awesomeness that is Vivaldi. But that means using adgaurd over uBo, which is a trade I'm more than willing to make.
 
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I think you have valid points but remember that Brave developers play a big part in filter list maintenance. Ryan aka @fanboyNZ works for them. I think @yuki works for Adguard. So, while some of the many lists at filterlist.org may disappear, Brave, Adguard, Ghostery and others will work to maintain the most important default lists. I agree that there will be no mass migration to Firefox. As you say, people are stuck in their ways. Hell, most people use Chrome with no adblocker at all. They have no idea, could care less, etc.
IMHO, Brave despite the past controversies and the crypto crap, will be the only browser that will benefit in marketshare from this situation.
 
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kailyn

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Actually, initially it was only 5,000 I think. But after backlash and when AdGuard showed a detailed report on why at least 30,000 rules would be essential they opted to follow AdGuard's advice. They also changed many things to comply with many changes suggested by adblock developers and filter maintainers (especially AdGuard) which is surprising but impressive from Google's part.

Technically you are correct about paywall. I just used that paywall bypassing filter list as an example, it can be any filter list, or custom rules created by the users. So no, that's not the reason why gorhill is refusing. He didn't even want to create an extension for MV3 until AdGuard released their experimental MV3 extension.
DIdn't Gorhill discuss this stuff multiple times? Perhaps you are correct and what I thought he discussed are echoes - dust bunnies of the mind - so to speak. In any case, after uMatrix and uBlock Origin, it would make sense that he doesn't really want to do another browser extension.

Everyone has to realize that Gorhill is a single point of failure. Once something happens and he is no longer developing, uBO is dead. Even if another developer or a group of developers takes over the extension will never be the same.

Once Adguard gets its problems with its Mv3 extension sorted out, I will transition to it. As long as they categorize it as "Experimental" and do not figure out how to fix issues I will not use it.

I am willing to bet a lot of money that at some point - whether it is 5 or 10 years - 30,000 rules will not be enough. Google and the entire advertisement ecosystem have a financial interest in undermining any ad blocking. One with a 30,000 rule limit is low-hanging fruit. Can you imagine an ad revolver that randomly utilizes 10, 20, 50 or 100 different methods to display ads? For the advertising ecosystem the costs for doing so keep coming down, way down. Have enough advertisers using this sort of tactic and eventually the ad blockers of today will not be enough.

All the complaints about Firefox... are people that stupid? If Firefox provides a virtually ad free experience then why would anybody not use it? If there is any single piece of software that is "geek" and widely adopted, then it is Firefox. Will there be a mass migration to Firefox? Probably not. But I would not be surprised if 10% or 20% of Chrome or Chromium based browsers get hammered so hard by ads that they'll do just about anything to get out of the fishbowl.

Who knows. Such trends are difficult to predict with any certainty, but they are possible. All those years ago nobody would ever have though Firefox had a chance. I'd rather be in bed with FIrefox than Chrome.
 
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kailyn

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If MS Edge starts losing users it will not be because of MV3, it will be from the constant and shitty nagging to become the default browser on any system and pushing MS services like a bully.
I have been using Microsoft Edge since it was released years ago. There's nothing about it that bothers me. In fact it has provided solid performance for years.

I used to use Firefox and had no problems with it either.

Average people just don't care. The rest will just install an MV3 extension + DNS filtering (maybe) and move on.
When it comes to ads making a person's browser come to a crawl, the typical average user will jump into action. Typical users are very sensitive to poor browsing experiences.

I bet Firefox gains new traction and users. It might turn out to be only a few % but hey - good for the users and good for Firefox. The users that choose to move to Firefox will have a better user experience with the old uBO or equivalent than without it.

Google's attack on ad blockers is not over. It has an incentive to disallow any ad blocker whatsoever. I bet it renews the whole "acceptable ad" campaign nonsense.

You shouldn't allow Firefox fanbois\fangirlz get to you. You seem very upset by it.

As for Firefox, it will never be the obvious choice other than the cult following of greybeard users it has. It will fade into oblivion unless they change their browser engine to chromium. Also, I highly doubt that they will keep supporting MV2 forever as all major extension developers will keep only MV3 versions active in development.
First off "greybeard" is straight-up ageist\discriminatory and offensive. The second part about Firefox fading into oblivion has been a troll trope since Firefox's first day. It also echos all those claims and speculations that Linux would be completely dead by 2002.

I bet Mv2 is still actively developed and supported years after your demise.

You sure you're OK? Because you are very obviously upset by the Firefox fanbois\fangirlz. Did their words hurt you?
 

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IMHO, Brave despite the past controversies and the crypto crap, will be the only browser that will benefit in marketshare from this situation.
Firefox will benefit as well. Because a lot of people who care about ad blocking and protection will switch to it. I did it so I don't see the reason why other wouldn't too.

Regarding Brave, I wish they would finally let users disable crypto crap entirely without using Group Policy. This is the only thing annoying me.
 
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Been testing out uBO Lite recently. What I miss is the capability to block third party scripts and frames.

I have been wondering about NoScript despite the limitations MV3 imposes. Source

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Or maybe there just isn't that option /shrug
 

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