Q&A Avoid These Browsers

SecureKongo

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My bad then. After all there is no option to enable or disable it and no way to force HTTPS connections as far as I know.
 

cruelsister

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even the ones that are considered trustworthy
Regarding extensions, it is important to know that the original coder of a well known extension could sell the rights to that extension to someone else who may not be as upright as was the original author. It could then be maliciously re-coded and dished out as an IMPORTANT UPDATE (I normally would give an example at this point, but sadly I have misplaced my old notes).

Anyway, Best Practice is to use as few extensions as possible, make sure those that are installed have a long track record of being benign, and understand that any updates to them should be viewed as totally new and untrusted.
 

Lenny_Fox

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The main point of this thread is not about the thing you personally do. It's about the Google's browser engine being the monopoly, which is a big problem in both privacy and security aspects. Did you just don't get it or completely dismiss this idea?

I think if somebody does really care about privacy, it's indeed makes sense to use Gecko, or even at least changing the user-agent to Firefox on a Chromium-based browser.
So Microsoft, Brave, Vivaldi, Opera and Yandex just sit and watch and tell their developers to do what Google wants? That is simply not true, to much conflicting commercial interest for each player. Look what happened to Google's Manifest 3.0 and FLOC?

The changes to Manifest 3.0 and rejection of FLOC is what factually happened in the real world..

Now who is posting opinions and who is posting facts? The Mozilla fanboys or the Chromium fanboys?

PS.1 Chromium the engine of Chrome browser is also open source.

PS 2.Changing your user agent does not increase your privacy, it makes you easier to tag

PS 3. When Manchester City plays against Manchester United or Real Madrid plays against Atletico Madrid the fans of each club look at the same pitch but the fans from opposing parties see a different ball game. Same with Chromium and Mozialla fanboys, they look at the same facts but interpret them differently (probably always in favour of the browser they like)

PS 4. I just installed Firefox on my Android phone to help you share your freedom of choice ideal (as long as you don't mind I keep using my chromium based browser on my pc)
 
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HarborFront

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Regarding extensions, it is important to know that the original coder of a well known extension could sell the rights to that extension to someone else who may not be as upright as was the original author. It could then be maliciously re-coded and dished out as an IMPORTANT UPDATE (I normally would give an example at this point, but sadly I have misplaced my old notes).

Anyway, Best Practice is to use as few extensions as possible, make sure those that are installed have a long track record of being benign, and understand that any updates to them should be viewed as totally new and untrusted.
What about filters and userscripts etc used in DNS blocking and Adguard for desktop? Are they not the same as extensions/addons............with the risk there?
 
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Jan Willy

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What about filters and userscripts etc used in DNS blocking and Adguard for desktop? Are they not the same as extensions/addons............with the risk there?
DNS-filtering takes place server-side, outside your device. The DNS-provider can't interfere in the content of the sites you visit. So it's a preferable way of ad- and tracker blocking. And perhaps the best way to curb the manic collector's passion of Google and others, especially on Android devices.
 

Lenny_Fox

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1. DNS-filtering takes place server-side, outside your device.
Ture
The DNS-provider can't interfere in the content of the sites you visit.
Not entirely correct
Advertisements are also content made out of scripts, media and content. Scripts, images, text, etcetera are all data somewhere located on a server in the cloud. A DNS can interfere with websitecontent by not resolving references to content located in the cinternet. When an embedded ink to a youtube movie is not resolved, the content won't play.

Jan Willy said:
So it's a preferable way of ad- and tracker blocking. And perhaps the best way to curb the manic collector's passion of Google and others

Partly true
For third-party trackers using canonical name cloaking a DNS is the best place to block these type of trackers. For advanced (affiliae) tracking and tagging a DNS does not look into the content like adblockers do. An adblocker like uBlock or Adguard can look simantically into the content. A DNS can only resolve (allow) or block an external link. This makes them also the best place for malware blocking

Try enabling the Next_DNS blocklist or AdGuard DNS blocklist without allowing "Affiliate and Trackinglinks" in Next_DNS and Next DNS will block most links you click on in the Google result page (because they are stuffed with tracking and tagging). g (and of course canonical name misuse). This little field test shows that DNS is not the best place to block, redirect or hide advertisements and tracking systems.
 
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Jan Willy

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When an embedded ink to a youtube movie is not resolved, the content won't play.
The DNS-provider only 'sees' the embedded link when you click on it. If there is no blocking rule, the site will be resolved.

Try enabling the Next_DNS blocklist or AdGuard DNS blocklist without allowing "Affiliate and Trackinglinks" in Next_DNS and Next DNS will block most links you click on in the Google result page
Nearly a year I use NextDNS. I can't confirm your statement that most links on Google search page are blocked. I haven't allowed 'Affiliate and Tracking links'. Also I haven't whitelisted anything regarding Google. Maybe it's different if one searches for risky things. ;)
 

Lenny_Fox

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@Jan Willy are you sure you enabled Next DNS default or Adguard DNS or Easylist or any blocklist which actually does something useful (so anything except the lame OISD blocklist)?

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Also why would Next_Dns offer an option to allow 'affiliate and tracking links' when this would not cause problems?

When I look out of the window the earth is flat :) As explained with the soccer games in previous post, what you are experiences might not be the objective real world situation. Same applies for me with my risky searches ;), so like Schrödingers cat we both might be right and wrong.
 
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Jan Willy

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@Jan Willy are you sure you enabled Next DNS default or Adguard DNS or Easylist or any blocklist which actually does something useful (so anything except the lame OISD blocklist)?

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Also why would Next_Dns offer an option to allow 'affiliate and tracking links' when this would not cause problems?

When I look out of the window the earth is flat :) As explained with the soccer games in previous post, what you are experiences might not be the objective real world situation. Same applies for me with my risky searches ;), so like Schrödingers cat we both might be right and wrong.
Your experience reminds me of Dave Berry's songtext 'You've got this strange effect on me'. Because when I search for 'TV' I can open the Coolblue-link without any problem, regardless the filterlist I use. What's shown in the NextDNS log? Has it something to do with the next part of the settings?

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Marko :)

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After browsing r/privacytoolsIO these are my conclusions.

If you really care about "privacy and freedom", you may want to avoid the following browsers and also ditch Windows/Mac.


❌ Brave

❌ Chromium - Valid points are made
here

❌ Google Chrome

❌ Microsoft Edge (Chromium)

  • ❌ Microsoft Edge (Legacy, unsupported)
  • ❌ Internet Explorer (unsupported)
❌ Opera

❌ Safari

❌ Vivaldi

Consider using these instead:

✅ Mozilla Firefox

✅ Tor Browser
For me personally, the only option is to use Chromium based browser. Because Firefox and other browsers based on Gecko have terrible font rendering. If that was fixed, I'd immediately switch to Firefox. Until then, Chrome is my top choice because of security.
 

don_dolarson

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If you really care about "privacy and freedom"

No, you may not use Mozilla Firefox, unless you spend couple of days on reading and disabling things. Out of the box it has 0.

Tor, Ungoogled Chromium and Iridium Browser are top 3, but there's much more than just using the right browser.
 
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