Question Which AV are you using and why did you choose this one ??

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As expected.

When I used Avast 10 years ago, there was a setting called HTTPS scanning. It was the first setting I disabled after installation as soon as I learned what it does. It really interesting to see antivirus companies, which are supposed to protect you from threats, hiding information about how it works and what it does exactly. I think AdGuard is the first company to explained everything in details and I applaud them for that.

To those who don't want to read a lengthy article, AdGuard and any software in general that performs some kind of HTTPS scanning basically does man-in-the-middle attack. It installs its own certificate on your device, which web browsers blindly trusts and which allows the software to see all encrypted traffic between you and the website. Antivirus will then scan all the requests for malware and is supposed to encrypt connection back with its own SSL certificate. As AdGuard mentions in their article, 2017 study showed that out of 26 tested antivirus software, 24 of them reduced connection security level and two-thirds created connection prone to hacking.

That explains why no antivirus companies explained the setting in details, and all have it enabled by default.

How does Microsoft abuse telemetry? Do you have any info we should know? If so, please post it here. I'd really like to know.

Because all I know is that Microsoft collects data, in plain text and no one knows exactly what they do with it. Their privacy policy is general for all products and terribly written without any additional details. And despite me not finding any proof they abuse it, just based on the fact they can't write privacy policy properly and per product along with secretly adding it into Windows 10, and then Windows 7 and 8.1, I don't trust it. Nonetheless, there's no proof they are doing something malicious with the data.

So if you have any knowledge about Microsoft abusing telemetry, please... post it.

Based on what I wrote about Microsoft before, they'd never hire me. 😂

And you got the wrong impression of me defending Microsoft. I'm not defending them, I'm not Microsoft Defender. But I am a reasonable human being and will point out if someone is wrong. You can be mad, angry about my choices, but that won't change a thing. I know for a fact that Defender is a great product. Private? Not at all, but there are ways you can make it private. Especially in Enterprise and Education version. Just because Defender sucked in its previous releases, it doesn't mean it still sucks.

Remember McAfee how everyone spit on it, rightfully so? It became one of the beloved products here on forum. Yes, I was shocked too when I saw it.

I never said Microsoft is never wrong and that issues were always user's fault. The bad updates are on them, however, most of these bad updates are preview updates. If you don't install those, you won't have any issues (unless you use 3rd party tools to modify how OS works). Why installation of such updates is not enabled by default. Windows Update should be left alone and that's it.

500 GB junk bug? You mean the bug that didn't affect me as well as some other members of the forum? What a horrific bug! This only proves my point. Yes, Microsoft shouldn't have let go QA team, but users also shouldn't install every single update the second Windows offers them. Or use 3rd party tools to modify how the operating system works.

Feel free to use any antivirus software you want, I won't judge. I'll stick with Defender because I see no point in paying for something that will just sit in the background and do nothing. Just remember one thing; if you really knew your way around PCs and security, you wouldn't even need an antivirus software. I surfed the web for years without any antivirus software installed and I never got infection. I'm still saying; the only reason why I use Defender is because Windows kept nagging me to enable it. And no matter how I tried to disable it, it always came back to annoy me.
You're defending it. So, by your logic, no one on the forum knows anything about IT. Everyone here—or the vast majority of us—uses antivirus software or some form of data protection, including you (since you use Windows Defender). And if that’s your argument, then Microsoft doesn't know anything about IT either, seeing as they use third-party antivirus software (CrowdStrike) on their servers; what a stupid thing to say. You should be careful what you say—loose lips sink ships.
 
You're defending it. So, by your logic, no one on the forum knows anything about IT. Everyone here—or the vast majority of us—uses antivirus software or some form of data protection, including you (since you use Windows Defender).
No, I am not. I'm stating the facts. Facts that go against your beliefs. Microsoft often gets critics from me, so does Google and Apple. But I will give applause when someone deserves it. Microsoft definitely doesn't deserve the applause because their products are garbage, but I still say majority of issues with Windows are caused by users messing around where they shouldn't. This isn't me defending them, these are the facts.

And I never said no one here on the forum knows anything about IT. I did say multiple times that many members of this forum are paranoid. It's true. When you need tens of 3rd party tools to be protected, then it's a fact, you're not very skillful when it comes to security. Open your antivirus software and see how many times it was alerted since installation. Ever since I use Defender, it hadn't alerted me once. This is true indicator if you need to pay for 3rd party antivirus software or your money is going down the drain.

I said I have enabled Defender so it doesn't nag me all the time. I used PC for years without any antivirus software and never got any malware so whether Defender is enabled or not, doesn't change anything. If nothing, this only shows I'm experienced user that knows how to protect himself without needing additional assistance. Not only that, I was never hacked. Obviously that should tell you something. I've been dealing long enough with PCs, especially with security; ever since I was a kid. I don't work in IT, but I am from that profession so I have pretty good idea what I'm talking about.
And if that’s your argument, then Microsoft doesn't know anything about IT either, seeing as they use third-party antivirus software (CrowdStrike) on their servers; what a stupid thing to say. You should be careful what you say—loose lips sink ships.
Microsoft uses CrowdStrike on their servers? Would you mind giving us a source for that claim? Thanks!
 
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My drive did not fill up with 500 Gig of junk on two Windows PC desk & laptop & I don't know anyone's who did, I look after a few Windows PC's (some directly some if there are issues) family & friends & none of those were affected either, there are very few if any issues with those PC's for a long time? There are & will be issues as has been said with the huge variety of software & hardware Windows users is, however I still feel 11 is the best 'all in all' OS MS has made & I've used them all.
 
My drive did not fill up with 500 Gig of junk on two Windows PC desk & laptop & I don't know anyone's who did, I look after a few Windows PC's (some directly some if there are issues) family & friends & none of those were affected either, there are very few if any issues with those PC's for a long time? There are & will be issues as has been said with the huge variety of software & hardware Windows users is, however I still feel 11 is the best 'all in all' OS MS has made & I've used them all.
The less software you have installed on your PC the better and more secure it is. The more you install, the greater are chances of them causing issues and making your PC more vulnerable.

This is literally everything I have installed on my PC.

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No, I am not. I'm stating the facts. Facts that go against your beliefs. Microsoft often gets critics from me, so does Google and Apple. But I will give applause when someone deserves it. Microsoft definitely doesn't deserve the applause because their products are garbage, but I still say majority of issues with Windows are caused by users messing around where they shouldn't. This isn't me defending them, these are the facts.

And I never said no one here on the forum knows anything about IT. I did say multiple times that many members of this forum are paranoid. It's true. When you need tens of 3rd party tools to be protected, then it's a fact, you're not very skillful when it comes to security. Open your antivirus software and see how many times it was alerted since installation. Ever since I use Defender, it hadn't alerted me once. This is true indicator if you need to pay for 3rd party antivirus software or your money is going down the drain.

I said I have enabled Defender so it doesn't nag me all the time. I used PC for years without any antivirus software and never got any malware so whether Defender is enabled or not, doesn't change anything. If nothing, this only shows I'm experienced user that knows how to protect himself without needing additional assistance. Not only that, I was never hacked. Obviously that should tell you something. I've been dealing long enough with PCs, especially with security; ever since I was a kid. I don't work in IT, but I am from that profession so I have pretty good idea what I'm talking about.

Microsoft uses CrowdStrike on their servers? Would you mind giving us a source for that claim. Thanks!
Don't try to change the narrative now; it’s obvious you’re defending Microsoft. Is using third-party antivirus software paranoid? That’s like saying wearing a seatbelt in a car is paranoid. You’re protecting your life. It’s the same thing here: you’re protecting your data and your hardware.
Take the 2024 incident, for example, where various Windows systems crashed—even at airports—due to a glitch in a third-party antivirus update (CrowdStrike).
Bear in mind, that failure was global.
 
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Don't try to change the narrative now; it’s obvious you’re defending Microsoft. Is using third-party antivirus software paranoid? That’s like saying wearing a seatbelt in a car is paranoid. You’re protecting your life. It’s the same thing here: you’re protecting your data and your hardware.
I'm not changing the narrative at all. Everyone can read my posts from beginning and can clearly see that.

You believe that 3rd party antivirus software provides better protection than the antivirus software developed by the company that also developed the OS. Defender is deeply integrated into Windows on a level that no 3rd party antivirus software can match. And because it's core part of the Windows OS, it has guaranteed compatibility with the OS itself. Hence I really do believe Defender can provide the best protection if configured properly. Though, even with default settings, it's more than enough for average user.

Your information is based on 2010 era when Windows was coming without any protection whatsoever. That was 16 years ago. Things changed and for the better. And it's not me claiming that, companies testing antivirus software say that too. All software tests are public and you can clearly see Microsoft stepping up their game in security from 2010 to today.
Take the 2024 incident, for example, where various Windows systems crashed—even at airports—due to a glitch in a third-party antivirus update (CrowdStrike).
Bear in mind, that failure was global.
I'm still waiting for the source claiming Microsoft uses CrowdStrike on their servers for protection. Do you have proof for that or not?

You were right to point that CrowdStrike that caused PCs to crash, and not Microsoft or Windows Update. CrowdStrike themselves confirmed they released bad update and apologized. Then, Microsoft worked together with them to help bring PCs to functional state and it took them weeks to do so.

All of this only proves my point—PCs using Defender never crash. PCs using 3rd party antivirus software crash and in fact, very often.
 
I'm not changing the narrative at all. Everyone can read my posts from beginning and can clearly see that.

You believe that 3rd party antivirus software provides better protection than the antivirus software developed by the company that also developed the OS. Defender is deeply integrated into Windows on a level that no 3rd party antivirus software can match. And because it's core part of the Windows OS, it has guaranteed compatibility with the OS itself. Hence I really do believe Defender can provide the best protection if configured properly. Though, even with default settings, it's more than enough for average user.

Your information is based on 2010 era when Windows was coming without any protection whatsoever. That was 16 years ago. Things changed and for the better. And it's not me claiming that, companies testing antivirus software say that too. All software tests are public and you can clearly see Microsoft stepping up their game in security from 2010 to today.

I'm still waiting for the source claiming Microsoft uses CrowdStrike on their servers for protection. Do you have proof for that or not?

You were right to point that CrowdStrike that caused PCs to crash, and not Microsoft or Windows Update. CrowdStrike themselves confirmed they released bad update and apologized. Then, Microsoft worked together with them to help bring PCs to functional state and it took them weeks to do so.

All of this only proves my point—PCs using Defender never crash. PCs using 3rd party antivirus software crash and in fact, very often.
I agree with the part about MD. The only reasons I use a 3rd part security solution are purely "cosmetic". But in terms of protection any gains are negligible according to 3rd part lab tests.