Advice Request Windows 10 Mail app or Thunderbird?

[Sampei Nihira]

@Andy Ful

Thunderbird can be added to the anti-exploit list easily.

Mail app that in Italy is renamed as "Posta", must be added to the anti-exploit list with the executable HxOutlook.exe.

I believe there are few users who can do this.

 

[Back3]

I use Mail (Windows app). There is a bug in this app: obsolete emails addresses are still offered in auto-complete. On forums, people began talking about this bug in 2016....Microsoft hasn't corrected that one....

 

[ForgottenSeer 85179]

Do you think that it is dangerous for Apps in AppContainer?

For privacy, definitely yes.

Also the minimal windows app doesn't support enigmail add-on / gpg itself

And the windows app can't send mail in plaintext and also just add unneeded useragent info

 

[SeriousHoax]

This might help some Thunderbird users. I use Thunderbird with this complementary app which I find extremely useful. Life is easier with this

GitHub - gyunaev/birdtray: new mail system tray notification icon for Thunderbird

new mail system tray notification icon for Thunderbird - gyunaev/birdtray

github.com

 

[Andy Ful]

For privacy, definitely yes.
...

Do you mean that privacy is similar to opening it in a web browser?

 

[ForgottenSeer 85179]

Do you mean that privacy is similar to opening it in a web browser?

No. In web browser Javascript is mostly needed which is a privacy and security disaster

 

[Andy Ful]

For privacy, definitely yes.

Also the minimal windows app doesn't support enigmail add-on / gpg itself

And the windows app can't send mail in plaintext and also just add unneeded useragent info

Could you send to configuredefender@outlook.com some examples of emails that could be problematic in Windows Mail? I would like to test Windows Mail a little more. Normally I do not use email clients, but I test Windows Mail for two weeks and did not notice any issues.
Do you think that the lack of the above features can be important for the average users?

 

[ForgottenSeer 85179]

Could you send to configuredefender@outlook.com some examples of emails that could be problematic in Windows Mail? I would like to test Windows Mail a little more. Normally I do not use email clients, but I test Windows Mail for two weeks and did not notice any issues.
Do you think that the lack of the above features can be important for the average users?

Done.

I guess average user's doesn't need GPG or plaintext mail, but are we average user's here?

As i wrote in the mail, i can make a useragent comparison to Thunderbird if you answer the mail.

 

[Lenny_Fox]

Windows 10 Mail - Agenda plus Outlook App for Android for easy syncing. With four mail accounts (private, school and two part time jobs) the agenda syncing and easy access is really an advantage.

 

[silversurfer]

No client installed. I access the mail directly via the web.

Same here,
I'm using web-services (gmail and outlook)

 

[ForgottenSeer 85179]

Same here,
I'm using web-services (gmail and outlook)

So you enter everytime your 2FA code? With local programs like Thunderbird this isn't necessary

 

[silversurfer]

So you enter everytime your 2FA code? With local programs like Thunderbird this isn't necessary

Yes, but in my case: everytime is only twice per day, so that isn't annoying to me

 

[Stopspying]

Thunderbird !! I've been using it for years and perfect for several accounts!

Same here.

 

[Andy Ful]

Done.

I guess average user's doesn't need GPG or plaintext mail, but are we average user's here?

As i wrote in the mail, i can make a useragent comparison to Thunderbird if you answer the mail.

Here is what I can see in Windows Mail:

I have also sent the answering email.

 

[ForgottenSeer 85179]

Here is what I can see in Windows Mail:

View attachment 234829

I have also sent the answering email.

And here is what i see from Thunderbird:


But now the full header data in comparison to a mail i send from Thunderbird:

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s=arcselector9901;
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dkim=none; arc=none
Thread-Topic: Security123 MT user: Requested Windows Mail test mail
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In my opinion, these are a lot of unnecessary transmitted data.

 

[Andy Ful]

And here is what i see from Thunderbird:
View attachment 234830

But now the full header data in comparison to a mail i send from Thunderbird:


In my opinion, these are a lot of unnecessary transmitted data.

I can see the same about your mail when I use <More> <View Source> in Thunderbird.
But, there is no such feature in Windows Mail.

 

[miguelang611]

I prefer mailbird but between the 2 you mentioned I would use thunderbird.

Didn't know about it but looks pretty good.
I was a long term Thunderbird user, but about 1/2 years ago I switched to web Gmail, basically because of problems with large attachments on Thunderbird. I tried Outlook included on 365 and didn't like it either.
About Mailspring, is there a way that on inbox just important messages are displayed? Just as normal Gmail does I mean
Thanks!

 

[Antus67]

In the past I used Thunderbird for the longest time till I came across Mailbird. I prefer Mailbird and its features plus MB is on going and updating with new features.

 

[Divine_Barakah]

In the past I used Thunderbird for the longest time till I came across Mailbird. I prefer Mailbird and its features plus MB is on going and updating with new features.

Mailbird is only paid, right?

 

[Pat MacKnife]

Mailbird is only paid, right?

I also use mailbird and its free ... you also have a premium version.