Serious Discussion Microsoft Edge Stable (Chromium) Now Available for Download

[ForgottenSeer 92963]

I did not know that @ticklemefeet meant WDAG's sandbox, but Edge Application Guard is based on VM and certainly is a lot stronger and safer than Sandboxie which is based on kernel and user mode hooks to catch all sorts of request on the real system. Hardware virtualisation (Edge Application Guard) always beats software virtualisation (Sandboxie) in terms of security and compatibility (less hassle and breakage).

 

[oldschool]

I did not know that @ticklemefeet meant WDAG's sandbox

I wasn't sure either as he wasn't specific.

 

[ForgottenSeer 69673]

Yes I am sorry I am not a man of enough words. Windows Defender Application Guard will not be activated by default.

On top of this I run it in Shadow Mode They call me Mr overkill for short.

Run Microsoft Edge in Sandbox with Windows Defender Application Guard

Enable or Disable Windows Defender Guard feature for Microsoft Edge browser and Office apps to run them in Sandbox isolated environment

www.how2shout.com

Old school? I have not used DUI for a while now so goes Dan (VS) have this setting?

Thanks, you guys

 

[wat0114]

In terms of containment it is stronger than sandboxie (AppContainer has lower rights than Untrusted).

Hi Kees,

I have done some testing, and I can only see Appcontainer when I open a New Application guard window on my Pro version of Windows 11. Otherwise, the renderers are shown as Untrusted under normal (not using Application Guard) sessions. So I don't think Home versions of Windows can run Edge under Appcontainer containment. Can you verify please?

 

[SeriousHoax]

Microsoft Edge to revive a classic feature RSS feeds on Windows

After Google, Microsoft is now also testing RSS-powered ‘Follow’ button and feed that would help you stay connected with your favourite websites. In Edge Canary builds for Windows, Microsoft has started testing a new feed that introduces native RSS functionality with Collections integration...

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[ForgottenSeer 92963]

Hi Kees,

I have done some testing, and I can only see Appcontainer when I open a New Application guard window on my Pro version of Windows 11. Otherwise, the renderers are shown as Untrusted under normal (not using Application Guard) sessions. So I don't think Home versions of Windows can run Edge under Appcontainer containment. Can you verify please?

I checked on my wife's laptop (Windows 11 Home) and I see AppContainer subprocesses

 

[wat0114]

I checked on my wife's laptop (Windows 11 Home) and I see AppContainer subprocesses
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Thanks Kees. Is this with Application Guard active, or not?

EDIT

I guess probably not, since Home versions can't run Application Guard, afaik.

 

[ForgottenSeer 92963]

@wat0114

I have no idea why AppContainer does not show up. Could you try to disable EdgeApplicationGuard and shut down (wait 3 secs) and re-start and enable AG again to make sure AG uses the the latest settings of the host?

Also check with regedit whether the RendererAppContainerEnabled (and AudioSandboxEnabled) are still set to 1 (enable)?

Edit (read the thread on WS)
My wife runs as Admin on her laptop. On my Windows 10 Pro desktop PC (I am lazy) I promoted my limited user account to ADMIN temporary to run my regfile and demoted that limited user to standard user again. Running the regfile as ADMIN sets these HKCU values to the user running with Admin rights, so maybe you should promote your standard account to check whether the HKCU values are set to the correct user.

 

[wat0114]

... to run my regfile

Maybe I'm missing something here Regfile??

 

[ForgottenSeer 92963]

@wat0114

I did not set the registry keys manualy but used a regfile (rename attached .TXT to .REG when you want to use it). key point is the HKCU (Current User) registry is changed of your standard user (that is why I promoted my standard user account to admin temporary, to make sure the correct HKCU was changed). When you ran an elevated REGEDIT.EXE, the HKCU of your admin account was probably changed (that is why it I guess AppContainer is not showing up in your standard user account).

 

[wat0114]

@wat0114

I did not set the registry keys manualy but used a regfile (rename attached .TXT to .REG when you want to use it). key point is the HKCU (Current User) registry is changed of your standard user (that is why I promoted my standard user account to admin temporary, to make sure the correct HKCU was changed). When you ran an elevated REGEDIT.EXE, the HKCU of your admin account was probably changed (that is why it I guess AppContainer is not showing up in your standard user account).

Kees,

thank you so much!! I know I've pestered you a lot lately, so thank you for your time and patience and for sharing your expertise

 

[SeriousHoax]

Hurrah! More bloatware

Microsoft Edge is now getting a new Games panel on Windows

Microsoft Edge is competing with the likes of Chrome and Firefox to be the best browser on Windows. It may not have a huge market presence like Chrome, but it’s a quality browser and Microsoft is trying to improve the experience with new optional features. Now, it seems the company wants to...

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Microsoft Can't Resist Stuffing Unnecessary Crap Into Edge

Old habits, and all that.

www.reviewgeek.com

All the Unnecessary Things Microsoft Added to Edge in 2021

Microsoft didn't put its best foot forward with Edge in 2021.

www.howtogeek.com

 

[oldschool]

Hurrah! More bloatware

Too bad M$ has blown a great opportunity to really shine amidst all its blunders and excess - with a secure, user-friendly, simple browser. They are losing so much potential great PR. I suppose they are so big and profitable that they just don't give a damn.

 

[ForgottenSeer 92963]

On my old Xeon 6 core with SSD the cold launch dropped from 2.5 to 1.2 seconds because M$ cheats with preloading Edge at startup. but consecutive hot launches raised from 0.45 to 8.5 because of all the bloat it added to Edge (even when I don't use the additional bloat code takes extra time load from memory).

I tried Woolyss Chromium and the first cold launch is slower (1.8 second), but next repeat hot launches are around 0.4 seconds with AppTimer.

 

[Sammo]

For faster launching with other chrome based browsers I use Lightning Reopen
Lightning Reopen

 

[brambedkar59]

For faster launching with other chrome based browsers I use Lightning Reopen
Lightning Reopen

Doesn't seem that useful if you are running on SSD. It already opens withing a sec.

 

[Sammo]

Doesn't seem that useful if you are running on SSD. It already opens withing a sec.

Chrome opens in 0 seconds.

 

[silversurfer]

Is Microsoft adding too many controversial features to its Edge browser?​

Closing Words

Is Microsoft adding too much bloat to Microsoft Edge, and if so, why? Some commenters believe that Microsoft could use a trial and error approach to development of features, to keep those that offer a positive return and drop others that don't. Since Edge is Chromium-based, adding features that Chrome, Edge's main competitor, does not have, may also play a role here.

Others believe that Edge has too many cooks that make decisions, and that this leads to a perceived feature bloat because of a missing overall strategy in regards to the browser.

Is Microsoft adding too many controversial features to its Edge browser? - gHacks Tech News

Microsoft has been criticized for several of the features that it added recently to its Edge browser. Are these additions hurting Edge?

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[Gandalf_The_Grey]

And another one....

Edge: Has Microsoft lost its track?

Interesting question that just crossed my path. It revolves around whether Microsoft has lost its compass in the development of the Chromium Edge browser and is growing a new bloat ware. At least, that's the question that crosses your mind when you see what developers are making out of Edge.

Edge: Has Microsoft lost its track?

[German]Interesting question that just crossed my path. It revolves around whether Microsoft has lost its compass in the development of the Chromium Edge browser and is growing a new bloat ware. At least, that's the question that crosses your mind when you see what developers are making out of...

borncity.com

Hope Microsoft is paying attention to the sentiments on the web
But I'm afraid they are not.

 

[ErzCrz]

Bloat puts me off Edge. I got really annoyed with the Shopping with Edge feature that is enabled by default. One of the reasons I go back to FF often.

Anyway, if M$ puts out a setting to have a slimline version of edge rather than with everything, that'd be great. Otherwise you have to turn everything off manually :S