How Paranoid Are You ?

[509322]

Tinfoil hats do nothing but amplify signals.

Velostat is the type of hat you want.

I also take a Radium tablet... so I glow in the woods. Maybe I'll get reported as a unidentified object. What fun that would be.

 

[509322]

The government is a pack of liars...

and the government secret security services put nano agents in my spaghetti...

and they have set their No. 1 agent Mecha-Godzilla on me...

so I'm taking me and my family underground into my tin foil hat chamber...

 

[ForgottenSeer 58943]

There is little doubt our govt. can be exceptionally evil and often views citizens (eaters) with disdain, conducts dangerous experiences against citizens and is involved in some pretty serious cover-ups and suppression of critical knowledge and technologies. Honestly, it would be pretty smart to be exceedingly skeptical and discerning with all things related to our government.

I never trust the govt. (local or otherwise) to provide me with anything without a backup and taking precautions. Flint Michigan residents that didn't trust their govt. to provide clean water were safe, everyone else was poisoned as one example. (among many thousands) Governments are largely parasitical entities and all parasites should be approached with caution.

In the USA Citizen trust in Govt. was around 70-80% in the 1950's and 1960's. Now it's 18%. Woke.

Top 10 US Government Experiments Done On Its Own Citizens - Listverse

 

[Deleted Member 3a5v73x]

That's America, but lets say north korea, people live in isolated place, taught from childhood they have to worship their leader and are slaves entire life. Some of the citizens probably doesn't even know what internet is. Isn't the dictatorship some form of paranoia of losing control over citizens? They claim they have "hackers" too.. right.

 

[oldschool]

There is little doubt our govt. can be exceptionally evil and often views citizens (eaters) with disdain, conducts dangerous experiences against citizens and is involved in some pretty serious cover-ups and suppression of critical knowledge and technologies. Honestly, it would be pretty smart to be exceedingly skeptical and discerning with all things related to our government.

I never trust the govt. (local or otherwise) to provide me with anything without a backup and taking precautions. Flint Michigan residents that didn't trust their govt. to provide clean water were safe, everyone else was poisoned as one example. (among many thousands) Governments are largely parasitical entities and all parasites should be approached with caution.

In the USA Citizen trust in Govt. was around 70-80% in the 1950's and 1960's. Now it's 18%. Woke.

Top 10 US Government Experiments Done On Its Own Citizens - Listverse

Governments themselves are not necessarily evil. Politicians and corporations dictate how governments function. It was politicians and political appointees who messed with Flint's water system, not the career administrators and technicians. The career bureaucrat in a government office is often doing the best job he can. It is the politicos, corps and political appointees running those agencies who screw things up. In Michigan in the 70's it was PBBs in feed grain and contaminated milk and milk products. Government agencies and technocrats actually discovered the source of the problem. Public servants are usually just that, regular people trying to do a good job. Remember The Peter Principle: incompetents rise to the top in most organizations, private or not. Political appointees and the people behind them are the real culprits.

Otherwise, all that I'm certain of is this:

 

[Kubla]

Get the privacy fanatics to participate in the poll and the ultra-paranoid group will shoot right to the top.

I know the type.. they run Linux Tails and then run a VPN with multi-hop inside of Tor along with Tor browser and multiple browser extensions inside of VM on Windows. They might even run a VPN inside of an anonymization service such as JonDoNym outside of the VM for the Windows system. This is on top of multiple software and hardware security such as complex IP routing tables, UTM, IDS, etc.

What I describe above is not some fantasy. They're are people who actually do this for their day-to-day security - and they don't live under some oppressive regime.

Laugh now but the the way the world is going, the political divisions, censorship laws, media manipulation etc... this level of security will soon be a necessity just to voice your opinion without fear in the western world.

 

[tonibalas]

I just read this thread and i loved it.
@Lockdown some of your posts are great fun to read and the one about CCleaner show's to everyone the meaning of the poll.
As for my self after 4 years here in MT i think i am Not Paranoid.
But before that i think i was a little paranoid about my security.
These days i am not concerned about my security because i am only using my wifes pc
my laptop is never connected to the internet

 

[509322]

I just read this thread and i loved it.
@Lockdown some of your posts are great fun to read and the one about CCleaner show's to everyone the meaning of the poll.
As for my self after 4 years here in MT i think i am Not Paranoid.
But before that i think i was a little paranoid about my security.
These days i am not concerned about my security because i am only using my wifes pc
my laptop is never connected to the internet

Yeah, the whole reaction to the CCleaner "compromise" was a joke.

I remember many years ago... in the XP days. Tzuk just came out with Sandboxie. I remember putting so many security apps on my systems I couldn't keep it alive for more than a day or two. Always clean installing XP and starting over again. That's back in the day when Windows CDs were shipped with a PC.

So, I DO know what I'm talking about when I discuss paranoia. At one time, everything I did online was fear-driven because I just didn't know. My natural reaction was to create - or at least I thought I could - create the impenetrable PC fortress.

There are always those that get upset when I make these paranoia threads. Well that's just too bad. It is important to bring light to the darkness... to expose the darkness for what it is - which is mostly superstitition and fear of a non-existent boogeyman.

Unfortunately, for a lot of people, Windows PCs and IT security are the fabled Baba Yaga and they behave accordingly. And unfortunately, there are those with a vested interest in promoting the Baba Yaga myth.

The worst group are the privacy N**is. They needlessly spread fear.

Nowadays, I treat Windows security like mowing the grass... it is just something I do that has some useful purpose, but technically isn't a necessity.

 

[tonibalas]

Ok that Bada Yaga just throwed of the chair
But again you are so right and i really like reading these kind of threads because i do learn useful things about security

 

[shmu26]

Personally, I think the poll results are bogus. I think people are more paranoid than they would have others believe.

Some people replied, "I am not paranoid, because the threats are real, so my extreme precautions are rational and justified."
That's your paranoids right there.

 

[509322]

Ok that Bada Yaga just throwed of the chair
But again you are so right and i really like reading these kind of threads because i do learn useful things about security

A lot of peoples' idea of security...

The above very aptly and accurately depicts the ignorant, fear-driven security response.

 

[509322]

Some people replied, "I am not paranoid, because the threats are real, so my extreme precautions are rational and justified."
That's your paranoids right there.

That argument is so terribly flawed from a technical perspective.

However, in terms of psychology and fear of the unknown (= paranoia), it makes perfect sense.

Person: "I am not paranoid because I carry a big stick."

Sigmund Freud's reply: "Carrying the stick in the first place makes you a paranoid."

 

[In2an3_PpG]

The worst group are the privacy N**is.

Where a lot of those Privacy N**is like to hang out = Privacy & Freedom in the Information Age

 

[509322]

Where a lot of those Privacy N**is like to hang out = Privacy & Freedom in the Information Age

Reddit.

No surprise there.

Reddit is the *hole of humanity.

 

[shmu26]

That argument is so terribly flawed from a technical perspective.

However, in terms of psychology and fear of the unknown (= paranoia), it makes perfect sense.

Person: "I am not paranoid because I carry a big stick."

Sigmund Freud's reply: "Carrying the stick in the first place makes you a paranoid."

"If the bogeyman is really out to get me, then I am just being rational." That is the argument of every paranoid.

 

[In2an3_PpG]

Reddit.

No surprise there.

Reddit is the *hole of humanity.

Its crazy what users there recommend. Similar to what you explained earlier.

 

[509322]

"If the bogeyman is really out to get me, then I am just being rational." That is the argument of every paranoid.

Sigmund Freud: "Baba Yaga does not exist. Go to sleep silly rabbit."

 

[509322]

Its crazy what users there recommend. Similar to what you explained earlier.

I advocate privacy. I don't advocate crazy.

 

[tonibalas]

@Lockdown after post #111 you are my favorite comedian
You just made my day a lot better and thank you for that, fun and informative at the same time

 

[509322]

@Lockdown after post #111 you are my favorite comedian
You just made my day a lot better and thank you for that, fun and informative at the same time

It's funny because it is true.

"Airports are dangerous."

"No, the people in airports are dangerous."

"Well... we don't know who is dangerous, so let's just search everyone's draws. I'm not doing it, so y'all better hire some more people."

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"CCleaner suxx. It was "almost" compromised a single time. But I will still keep using Windows even though it has been compromised millions upon millions of times."

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The poll results do not jive with the way people think and act on the forums. Most people replying "Not Paranoid" are probably the exact opposite by the technical definition of the word paranoia.