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    So i tested it again today. I really don't like it and here is why
    1. Initial whitelisting takes a year and a half. We are in 2016 and have decent specs this is unacceptable and no reason for it to happen.
    2. They have a vulnerable program list which then doesn't let parent execute a child process. So i have to go there and add the application. A button to not automatically whitelist child from parent would be better
    3. Gui is terrible and confusing. No clear indication of what is happening without clicking 1000 buttons.
    4. You can't see the whitelist. You can just clear things that are no longer on the pc. I really don't understand this and i hope i just missed a button.
    Protection was solid as you expect for all whitelisting software but not my kind of application.
    Point 1 and 3 was enough for me to not even bother completing the installation.
     

    shmu26

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    So i tested it again today. I really don't like it and here is why
    1. Initial whitelisting takes a year and a half. We are in 2016 and have decent specs this is unacceptable and no reason for it to happen.
    2. They have a vulnerable program list which then doesn't let parent execute a child process. So i have to go there and add the application. A button to not automatically whitelist child from parent would be better
    3. Gui is terrible and confusing. No clear indication of what is happening without clicking 1000 buttons.
    4. You can't see the whitelist. You can just clear things that are no longer on the pc. I really don't understand this and i hope i just missed a button.
    Protection was solid as you expect for all whitelisting software but not my kind of application.
    1: yes, it is a test of our patience.
    But if you ever tried Kaspersky's Trusted Applications Mode, and you let it scan your system in preparation, it also takes a long time. SAP's scan is longer, but more thorough.

    4: true, you can't directly access the whitelist, but you can modify trust level for files and folders:
    How to set Trust Levels for your file? – SecureAPlus Support Pages
     

    shmu26

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    Removed: WFC
    Added: Tinywall

    Tired of constant updates and today the final nail on the coffin was that a rule i was making didn't work. Probably my fault but Tinywall did the rules on it's own with Autolearn mode.
    tell me, does a default-deny firewall, like you are using, stop malware better than a commercial firewall, such as Kaspersky firewall at default settings?
     

    SHvFl

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    tell me, does a default-deny firewall, like you are using, stop malware better than a commercial firewall, such as Kaspersky firewall at default settings?
    I don't know how Kaspersky Firewall works but probably you have to allow applications or application are allowed if whitelisted by them. It's the same thing just in my case i have to whitelist everything manually. I prefer it that way.
     

    Evjl's Rain

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    Removed: WFC
    Added: Tinywall

    Tired of constant updates and today the final nail on the coffin was that a rule i was making didn't work. Probably my fault but Tinywall did the rules on it's own with Autolearn mode.
    Does autolearn mode make everything default allow? I tried tiny firewall but in normal mode, it blocked almost everything unless I allowed them. In autolearn mode, yes, everything can go through but I feel like it just allows everything like Allow mode. I moved to PrivateFirewall, it was a bit better because in the default setting, it didn't block everything like tinywall did
    Finally, uninstalled everything and install Kaspersky IS because firewall rules are taken from application control from KSN
     
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    SHvFl

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    Does autolearn mode make everything default allow? I tried tiny firewall but in normal mode, it blocked almost everything unless I allowed them. In autolearn mode, yes, everything can go through but I feel like it just allows everything like Allow mode. I moved to PrivateFirewall, it was a bit better because in the default setting, it didn't block everything like tinywall did
    Finally, uninstalled everything and install Kaspersky IS because firewall rules are taken from application control from KSN
    Learning mode allows everything and when you get out of learning mode to normal mode it will make rules for all applications that were allowed during the learning mode.
    Tinywall is default deny and that is what i want. I want nothing to connect online if i don't make rules to allow it. Kaspersky is cool but i prefer to allow things manually and not trust rules they make that might not apply to my needs. WIndows firewall with the help of Tinywall for default deny is what i need.

    Great move. :)
    Thanks.
     

    SHvFl

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    Added: Windows Firewall Control
    Removed: Tinywall

    The issue with boot and no internet for a few seconds was annoying me and with the constant updates for windows 10 applications i had to recreate the rule all the time and was more annoying than disabling WFC annoying constant updates.
    Also managed to figure my issue with my vpn application and WFC and obviously it was me being stupid like usual and assuming stuff.
     

    SHvFl

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    Added: Nothing
    Removed: Shadow Defender

    Testing showed that even though it does what it has to do it also annoys me a lot. I ordered an ssd to do my backups with Macrium Reflect so restoring will be fast and that should solve my problem when testing things.
     
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    Testing showed that even though it does what it has to do it also annoys me a lot. I ordered an ssd to do my backups with Macrium Reflect so restoring will be fast and that solved my problem when testing things.
    Which SSD you order ? I am always interested in comparing notes. I have - what I think is a Toshiba re-branded OZC on one - and Samsung EVO 850 on the other.
     

    SHvFl

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    Which SSD you order ? I am always interested in comparing notes. I have - what I think is a Toshiba re-branded OZC on one - and Samsung EVO 850 on the other.
    I have a Samsung Evo 850(90€) for my machine and it seems to be the best in a decent price, at least where i live, so i got that again. I could have went with the Kingston SSDNow KC400(80€) because difference for what i need it would have been small but meh price difference was 10 euro so i got the Evo which is better and has a better warranty.
     
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    I have a Samsung Evo 850(90€) for my machine and it seems to be the best in a decent price, at least where i live, so i got that again. I could have went with the Kingston SSDNow KC400(80€) because difference for what i need it would have been small but meh price difference was 10 euro so i got the Evo which is better and has a better warranty.
    I am happy with Samsung SSDs. Price is more expensive, but not so much that it will break the bank. No statistically significant difference between EVO and EVO Pro. In that case, the price difference isn't worth it...

    The Toshiba SSD is surprisingly good. I hit the lottery on that one...
     

    SHvFl

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    I am happy with Samsung SSDs. Price is more expensive, but not so much that it will break the bank. No statistically significant difference between EVO and EVO Pro. In that case, the price difference isn't worth it...

    The Toshiba SSD is surprisingly good. I hit the lottery on that one...
    Yeah evo and pro differences are not visible for a home user and honestly none should pay for it except if you don't know what else to do with your money. About the toshiba as you said you either got lucky or it is an older drive when OCZ played with the big boys really well. In practice almost any ssd is better than an hdd though.
    We just have to wait for prices to drop so hdd can become obsolete but in the meantime an ssd and hdd combo works for most.