Battle What is your Favourite Browser?

[Spiff]

[...] I also want to use Firefox. However, [...] you cannot disable Secure DNS in the settings like you can in Chrome and Edge.

I have no experience with Chrome or Edge, so I don't know how disabling Secure DNS compares to Firefox.
In Firefox, it is easy to disable Secure DNS: in Firefox settings/ Privacy & Security/ DNS over HTTPS, you can simply select "Off".

 

[SpiderWeb]

Safari because every site loads exactly as it should. Chrome and Firefox have their own agenda and that causes sites to break due to their specific cookie and privacy policies. Safari just loads whatever, you can type in the exact IP address of a website and it will take you there and it is the only browser that understands that local IPs like your gateway or NAS or Wifi portals need special treatment. While it is not my main browser on desktop, it is the browser I instantly open if a website errors out and 100% of the time it just works in Safari. The downside with Safari is the UI is ugly and uninviting for multitasking.

 

[Marko :)]

I use Vivaldi, but I also want to use Firefox. However, Firefox's dark mode pales compared to Chrome, Edge, and Vivaldi.

What do you mean exactly? Firefox is the only web browser (not counting its forks) that's 100% customizable with userChrome.css file. You can either download already built CSS themes for Firefox or you can make your own. Check out FirefoxCSS Store.

Its translation service is slow...

Then just don't use it. There's an awesome open source add-on which make translate feature similar to one in the Chromium browsers. It's very customizable and you can even choose the translation service you want to use.

TWP - Translate Web Pages – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)

Download TWP - Translate Web Pages for Firefox. Translate your page in real time using Google, Bing or Yandex. It is not necessary to open new tabs.

addons.mozilla.org

...and you cannot disable Secure DNS in the settings like you can in Chrome and Edge.

Then what's this?

 

[rashmi]

Why Vivaldi over Brave? I like both, by the way.

I enjoy Vivaldi's customization and overall experience. Brave didn't appeal to me because of its cartoonish icon, ad options, crypto features, and overall design. Although you can disable these features, Brave didn't leave a solid impression on me.

I have no experience with Chrome or Edge, so I don't know how disabling Secure DNS compares to Firefox.
In Firefox, it is easy to disable Secure DNS: in Firefox settings/ Privacy & Security/ DNS over HTTPS, you can simply select "Off".

You can disable Secure DNS in Chrome, Edge, or Vivaldi. In Firefox, you can choose the "Off" option, and it uses the system's DNS. I use the YogaDNS app with Cloudflare Gateway DNS. When you disable Secure DNS in Chrome, Edge, or Vivaldi, they use Cloudflare Gateway DNS. When you turn off Secure DNS in Firefox, it uses the system's default.

 

[rashmi]

What do you mean exactly? Firefox is the only web browser (not counting its forks) that's 100% customizable with userChrome.css file. You can either download already built CSS themes for Firefox or you can make your own. Check out FirefoxCSS Store.

Then just don't use it. There's an awesome open source add-on which make translate feature similar to one in the Chromium browsers. It's very customizable and you can even choose the translation service you want to use.

TWP - Translate Web Pages – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)

Download TWP - Translate Web Pages for Firefox. Translate your page in real time using Google, Bing or Yandex. It is not necessary to open new tabs.

addons.mozilla.org

Then what's this?

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I was referring to the dark mode settings in Firefox.

TWP is excellent; it's the translation add-on I relied on for Firefox.

I responded to the Secure DNS topic in my previous post.

 

[n8chavez]

I use Vivaldi, but I also want to use Firefox. However, Firefox's dark mode pales compared to Chrome, Edge, and Vivaldi. Its translation service is slow, and you cannot disable Secure DNS in the settings like you can in Chrome and Edge.

This is absolutely true!! Vivaldi's "force a dark theme on all websites" setting is amazing. For those without Vivaldi, it's just the "selective inversion of non-image elements" chrome flag.

 

[lokamoka820]

This is absolutely true!! Vivaldi's "force a dark theme on all websites" setting is amazing. For those without Vivaldi, it's just the "selective inversion of non-image elements" chrome flag.

I use Dark Reader to do this in any browser I use.

 

[Marko :)]

You can disable Secure DNS in Chrome, Edge, or Vivaldi. In Firefox, you can choose the "Off" option, and it uses the system's DNS. I use the YogaDNS app with Cloudflare Gateway DNS. When you disable Secure DNS in Chrome, Edge, or Vivaldi, they use Cloudflare Gateway DNS. When you turn off Secure DNS in Firefox, it uses the system's default.

This seems a bit off. Is Yoga DNS active system-wide? If so, Firefox should use Cloudflare Gateway DNS as well. Maybe you misconfigured something, I'm not sure.

I was referring to the dark mode settings in Firefox.

You think of the option that changes the theme of the website depending if you choose light or dark theme in the browser? Yeah, currently, this isn't working the best in Firefox. But hey, there are a lot of extensions that do the same; even better.

 

[lokamoka820]

TWP is excellent; it's the translation add-on I relied on for Firefox.

I prefer Simple Translate.

Simple Translate – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)

Download Simple Translate for Firefox. Quickly translate selected or typed text on web pages. Supports Google Translate and DeepL API.

addons.mozilla.org

 

[rashmi]

This is absolutely true!! Vivaldi's "force a dark theme on all websites" setting is amazing. For those without Vivaldi, it's just the "selective inversion of non-image elements" chrome flag.

I've been using the dark mode flags' "Enabled" option in Chrome and Edge, and Vivaldi's dark mode seems identical. Is the "selective inversion of non-image elements" option better, and if so, how?

 

[n8chavez]

I honestly think it's the same thing. If it's not I can't tell the difference. I know there was a semi-recent Vivaldi update that, I think, added the "force dark theme." I think that was just a vivaldi gui version of that flag.

 

[n8chavez]

I use Dark Reader to do this in any browser I use.

But dark reader is yet another extension, which increases the attack surface, uses resources, can be confusing to configure on a per-website-basis, and can be difficult to configure with sandboxie.

 

[rashmi]

This seems a bit off. Is Yoga DNS active system-wide? If so, Firefox should use Cloudflare Gateway DNS as well. Maybe you misconfigured something, I'm not sure.

You think of the option that changes the theme of the website depending if you choose light or dark theme in the browser? Yeah, currently, this isn't working the best in Firefox. But hey, there are a lot of extensions that do the same; even better.

YogaDNS intercepts DNS requests at the system level, all done automatically. I've also configured it to run as a Windows Service.

Yes, the dark theme really ruins the appearance of websites.

I prefer Simple Translate.

Simple Translate – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)

Download Simple Translate for Firefox. Quickly translate selected or typed text on web pages. Supports Google Translate and DeepL API.

addons.mozilla.org

Simple Translate is good, but TWP is my preferred choice as it functions similar to Chrome's.

 

[SeriousHoax]

You can disable Secure DNS in Chrome, Edge, or Vivaldi. In Firefox, you can choose the "Off" option, and it uses the system's DNS. I use the YogaDNS app with Cloudflare Gateway DNS. When you disable Secure DNS in Chrome, Edge, or Vivaldi, they use Cloudflare Gateway DNS. When you turn off Secure DNS in Firefox, it uses the system's default.

I have used YogaDNS before and this didn't happen for me. There is a setting in YogaDNS named something like intercept plain text DNS. I forgot the exact name. Have you enabled that option?

 

[n8chavez]

You can even just set up Windows 11 to use DoH through the adapter. So there's no need for Yoga or anything else. Or better yet, set your DNS up on your router.

 

[rashmi]

I have used YogaDNS before and this didn't happen for me. There is a setting in YogaDNS named something like intercept plain text DNS. I forgot the exact name. Have you enabled that option?

I have set up Cloudflare Public DNS 1.1.1.1/1.0.0.1 with Manual DoH in Windows and Cloudflare Gateway DoH in YogaDNS. Do you mean the "Block plain DNS over TCP from System Resolver" setting? It's enabled as the default setting.

 

[oldschool]

When you disable Secure DNS in Chrome, Edge, or Vivaldi, they use Cloudflare Gateway DNS.

Is there documentation that verifies this? My Chromium browsers have it disabled due to use of policies, and all tests report Quad9 (my system setting) as "in use", OK, etc.

 

[SeriousHoax]

I have set up Cloudflare Public DNS 1.1.1.1/1.0.0.1 with Manual DoH in Windows and Cloudflare Gateway DoH in YogaDNS. Do you mean the "Block plain DNS over TCP from System Resolver" setting? It's enabled as the default setting.

Oh yeah that setting. I'm not sure why you're having that weird behavior on Firefox. You may also check out AdGuard Home which can also be run locally. I often use it with Cloudflare malware blocking DNS (as it's the fastest for me) with Hegezi Multi Pro++ and OISD dns filter.

Is there documentation that verifies this? My Chromium browsers have it disabled due to use of policies, and all tests report Quad9 (my system setting) as "in use", OK, etc.

I think he/she meant that the Cloudflare Gateway that is setup on YogaDNS works as expected with Chromium browsers. Without the YogaDNS app, it should use system DNS like it does in your system.
@rashmi BTW, didn't want to assume your gender because in real life about 11 years ago there was a girl whose name was "rashmi" like your username and she had a massive crush on me and pursued me on and off for almost three years. So, every time I see you here on MT, I am reminded of her

 

[oldschool]

I think he/she meant that the Cloudflare Gateway that is setup on YogaDNS works as expected with Chromium browsers. Without the YogaDNS app, it should use system DNS like it does in your system.

You're probably right, but I'd like @rashmi to clarify, FWIW.

 

[Templarware]