Advice Request Windows 7 better than Windows 10, really?

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OK , so i have installed Win7 on a low-end laptop (1ghz atom cpu, 2gb Ram) which is a similar specs available at Win7 release , and since many many people claimed that Win10 is crappy compared to Win7 ; let me compared Win7 to Win10 ... i will even use Win7 Ultimate vs Win10 Home

this will be a real-time comparison made like Average Joe would.

please don't mention about privacy , it is not the purpose here.

Installation
(Win10 win)

both OS are in the latest ISO from USB using Rufus

Win7 : the installation was properly made, nothing special there
Win10: same as Win7, did customized setting , etc...

Then there the first expected fail of Win7 ; it doesn't have the proper drivers for my machine; which was released for Win8. So basically i ended up with no network, so i can't have Windows Updates...
I was expected it so i have them downloaded prior to the installation, but Average Joe won't think of it and if he doesn't have another PC under hands, he is done...

Post Installation (no winner)

Win7:
user account creation is classic , nothing to complain here.
Win10: MS push you to use a MS account for various purposes, but a local account is permitted ; so here nothing to complain too.

Windows Updates (Win10 win)

when i install an OS , the first thing i do is Windows Update to get latest compatible drivers and security fixes.

Win7:
Windows update hang and download nothing, if i didn't have a network traffic monitoring tool i could wait for hours. so i started wasting my time looking for fixes and finally find one here Windows 7 - Windows Updates hanging and not downloading?
Win10: clicked "check updates, after less than a minute , all are displayed, downloaded , installed without issues. I heard that some users had problems with it and some updates smashed their system, but i did dozen of Win10 installs and never get one.
If you worry, you can force Win10 to download only fixes and not drivers. ( PC > Hardware > Device Installation Settings)

Installation of updates in Win10 is smoother and less subject to errors/crash , not saying than on Win7 the display of the updates is very bad , you don't know if it is installing or hanging...


Post installation Cleaning/Tweaking/Backup (Not for Average Joe) (Win7 win)

After updating the OS, i always clean it and do various tweaks and modifications to make it "faster" , safer, and easier to use. Among those tweaks are services customization, security tweaks via registry/group policies, etc...Then finish by a backup using Windows Backup.

Win7: all options are in the same place (control panel ), they are easy to get.
Win10: i dont know why they decided to split the settings in 2 places , it make it harder to do since you have to navigate in "Settings" which may redirect to Control Panel...

In term of customization and control Win7 is better than Win10, (Win10 removing many of the control you had in Win7).
It is the main reason why Geeks and other advanced users stick to Win7.
For the backup no difference because Win10 uses Win7 system :D

I will post my Customized Win7 theme, im sure you will love it ;)
there the screenshot : Desktops Show Off!

Built-in Security (Win10 win)

when the OS is totally installed, cleaned, tweaked, it is time to check the security.

Win7: unless you have a version of Win7 with Applocker, Win7 barely give you anything to protect yourself, you must look for a 3rd party application.
Win10: MS did its best to give to the customers a secure OS , so many security implementations were made (kernel enhanced protection, secureboot, integrated AV, system wide reputation feature, new integrity level, etc...) , as a common user , you barely need anything else; security geeks however... ;)

3rd Party security softs (Win7 Win)

Now that we knows the security features of the OS, it is up to the user to add its favored security soft.

Win7: All the actual security softs works on Win7 , so there is no problem.
Win10: due to some restrictive adjustments made to the kernel, some softs can't run anymore on Win10 and some can't use or lost some of their features/protection (KIS, Webroot, Zemana, etc...).

Performance (Win10 win)

now all is set , we can start enjoy the OS...as i said earlier , both OS were tested on a machine with the technology available at their release. There is no point on comparing a new OS on a machine made to run on a older OS. the older OS will always perform better.

Win7: Quite fast and if you disable Aero and sounds, Win7 is even faster.
Win10: Win7 has a huge advantage on Win7 , it is the Hybrid Boot (aka Fast Boot) that really increase the boot time of the machine. However Win10 has many feature that eat resources and honesty not really needed and those can be disabled (as you can do for Win7)

Usability (Win7 win)

What is important is usability, you won't spend too much time looking for something.
This comparison was made on laptops not a tablets , so i judged it accordingly.

Win7: all is at the same place, easily accessible.
Win10: Win8/10 were made for tablet first (and desktop after) , so the usability is quite different.

Luckily MS improved the desktop experience of Win 10 with the lastest Anniversaty Update. but in a overall point of view ,Win7 is better on desktop/laptop machines.


Conclusion:

the Winner is Win10 because its security and core enhancements and optimization, however Win7 keep the leadership in term of customization/control and usability.


Ok so it is finish now, so you are welcome to comment; i tried to do this comparison as fair as possible for both OS.
 
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Damcp04

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The only thing bothering me with Windows 10 are those animated switchings and making modern apps to replace basic and useful programs.. Then everything ok.
 

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Windows 7 is like the older brother, he's been around the block longer, so he knows a bit more. He's still a bit stupid though, and will occasionally drink too much or make a bad life decision.

Windows 10 is the younger brother. So much ahead of them, but they make mistakes. Still, you hope because they see the mistakes their older brother is making they'd be like "Nah, I'll do better"

At the end of the day, you still just have two dumb kids making bad calls.
 

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i think W10 has for the average/"home" user no advantages at all. I'm stll trying to find reasons to install W10 on my (gaming-)laptop
that i'm using as desktop replacement for "every day"/average tasks/jobs like: internet, office, music, video, chat, skype etc.......
I think most average users will not notice the difference between this two systems. Still a big disadvantage is the instability of
W10: lots of bugs, problems with compatibility (hardware), built in "spyware" etc... W7 on my machine is still running fine/perfect:
no crashes, no bugs, no issues .....so i'm still very satisfied with this "old" OS. And i would say: people who have no idea about
computers/software/hardware should wait until W10 is stable enough them/for the average user...
W10 seems to be more secure and seems to have much more performance when you are a "gamer": therefore this OS is also for
me a very good alternative and i want to install it as fast as possible. But without "stability" i will stay with W7 until 2020 (end of support).
 
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Give me the chance to have the "classic taskbar" in W10 like i have in W7 and i will upgrade.

i have both system and i dont see any difference on win10 except the tiles (which can be removed.)

Win10 start menu is customizable too, you can replicate classic menu , check my start Menus :

Win10



Win7



so in both the left part are identical , in win10 the right side allow you to add any shortcut you want. Win10 menu is far better to me.
 
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Windows 10 has more beta testers than any other Windows OS ever had. And because it is on a rapid update model (Microsoft calls it WaaS), there will never be a version of Windows that will stay untouched for a longer period (the exception is the version for enterprises). Chrome and Firefox use the same rapid release models, because this allows fast innovation and testing at the same time. This is the future in software development. In 2020 there will be a version of Windows 10 that will be released say in November 2019 and it will be just as stable as the version released in November is now in August. When Windows 10 remains the only Windows version on the market Microsoft will drop the 10 from its name and will only use versions like in 2019 there might be two versions for example version 1902 and 1909 for example. Almost all antivirus programs are adopting this model, the browsers have already adopted it and i see many other companies doing the same.
 
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As expected Windows 7 run faster than Windows 10 on this machine. At the moment, i just did simple tweaks (like increasing pagefile, etc... ).

I expected that as well...

In my experience (WITHOUT TWEAKS) Windows 7 runs the quickest from doing tasks to opening files, programs etc. :cool: but the WORST Windows Update however... I have a fix for it.

XP, Linux was middle ground (respectively) :)

Windows 10 was slowest, too much uneeded extras IMO, stuff I dont' use. Even my last ditch registry tweaks, no real change maybe I had a dud, maybe Microsoft installed it backwards for me. ;) Boot time on 7 was 25 seconds and on 10 it was around 1 minute.

I prefer 7 over 10 not because 10 spys, or has modern apps, or isnt geek friendly noone of that, it's because Windows 7 rocks and it runs most efficiently "rock 'n run!" :p

It runs VERY well on my old laptop single core 1.9 ghz CPU without slowdown or freezes.

Unless the OS was cut in half, I couldn't keep 10 running, it was so slow I felt like I had Windows 7 with 3 McAfee Internet Suites running at once.
 
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if you don't have at least an i5 and 6gb RAM , better stick on Windows 7

Windows 10 sure has a sweet look and features. Must be great on better hardware, bet its much quicker. It does run "acceptable" on mine if only want email, weather, news etc... not good for games or multi-task on old specs like my budget laptop. I wanted to play a few games and have more then one browser open, security running so ... nah... no can do.
 
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The thing is people think (because MS marketted it) than recent OS can be used on old generation hardware , yes they can ; but it doesn't mean it will be fast and smooth.

in any way if you don't have 4gb RAM don't even think to run something above win7.
 
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The thing is people think (because MS marketted it) than recent OS can be used on old generation hardware , yes they can ; but it doesn't mean it will be fast and smooth.

in any way if you don't have 4gb RAM don't even think to run something above Windows 7.

Why that? If anything, I would be more tempted to run Windows 8.1 and 10 than Windows 7 with that much RAM. And x86 too, not x64.
 

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It all depends on what you like and what you don't. Its like some people like brand new car and some like classic cars.
 

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The thing is people think (because MS marketted it) than recent OS can be used on old generation hardware , yes they can ; but it doesn't mean it will be fast and smooth.

in any way if you don't have 4gb RAM don't even think to run something above Windows 7.

Last week I installed Windows 10 on some lowend notebook with AMD E1 processor and 2 GB RAM for one customer, he had Windows 7 installed before. Is it fast and smooth? No. Would I put it on my notebook if I had one like that? Also no. But he needs it only for browsing web, mail and some office work and he is happy with how it works.
He is happy, I got paid, I'm happy. We are all happy ;)
 

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Exact many fans of Windows 7 and haters of Windows 10 are geeks , because they can use tweaks, Applocker, GP on Windows 7 where they can't anymore on Windows 10 ; they just forgot that Average Joe doesn't care of those tweaks; Average Joe want a shiny, Apps filled and easy to use OS.
What does 10 have in place of the security you mentioned if any?
 

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Exact many fans of Windows 7 and haters of Windows 10 are geeks , because they can use tweaks, Applocker, GP on Windows 7 where they can't anymore on Windows 10 ; they just forgot that Average Joe doesn't care of those tweaks; Average Joe want a shiny, Apps filled and easy to use OS.

Never used any tweaks nor AppLocker and GPOs on Windows 7 and I'm a geek :p Though I don't hate on Windows 7, nor am I preaching the word about Windows 10 either.
 
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Wasn't AppLocker only useful to computers running on an Active Directory domain? It blocks applications, but how does it really benefit the performance of a PC? Just curious. :rolleyes:
 
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