New Update CIS 2025 is now LIVE!

[Trident]

I`m only promoting the recommended CS settings so yes I can blame users who deliberatly go off road and then claim to have problems.

Regards Eck

You can not blame people for having problems, or instruct them specifically how to use the software. The option is allowed by Comodo. User sees the option and makes use of it. Who are people supposed to trust? The official vendor of the software or a group of anon users on the internet?

Instead of criticising the user, why don’t you, Comodo pro-users contact Comodo and try to get it resolved?

Oh and last but not least, it was one of the Comodo pro-fanatics, back then Oerlink, now @bazang who advised users to delete the trusted vendors list.

So it seems like amongst the pro-fanatics, the left hand doesn’t know what the right one is doing.

Post in thread 'Comodo might come back from the grave'
Comodo might come back from the grave

 

[Behold Eck]

You can not blame people for having problems, or instruct them specifically how to use the software. The option is allowed by Comodo. Users sees the option and makes use of it. Who are people supposed to trust? The official vendor of the software or a group of anon users on the internet.

Instead of criticising the user, why don’t you, Comodo pro-users contact Comodo and try to get it resolved?

Oh and last but not least, it was one of the Comodo pro-fanatics, back then Oerlink, now @bazang who advised users to delete the trusted vendors list.

So it seems like amongst the pro-fanatics, the left hand doesn’t know what the right one is doing.

Post in thread 'Comodo might come back from the grave'
Comodo might come back from the grave

If you are on an internet security forum and don`t follow advice laid out for you there then it`s the vendors fault is that what you are saying ?

How can Comodo come back from the grave when it isn`t in one ?

So yes again I can blame the user if they don`t follow the advice.

Regards Eck

 

[Trident]

How can Comodo come back from the grave when it isn`t in one ?

I didn’t name the topic, I am not responsible for this statement.

If you are on an internet security forum and don`t follow advice laid out for you there then it`s the vendors fault is that what you are saying ?

I had the same experience of crashes and freezes twice. Once was many years ago, when I put it on my sister’s laptop. She spent an hour with Comodo, before asking me to replace it with at the time, AVG 9. The system was very slow.
Second time, around Covid I tried to install Comodo and my laptop (much more modern) was almost frozen too. I did not delete anything from the trusted list and normally, I am the one advising people how to use software.

So again, it doesn’t always flawlessly work under all conditions.

 

[Behold Eck]

I didn’t name the topic, I am not responsible for this statement.

I had the same experience of crashes and freezes twice. Once was many years ago, when I put it on my sister’s laptop. She spent an hour with Comodo, before asking me to replace it with at the time, AVG 9. The system was very slow.
Second time, around Covid I tried to install Comodo and my laptop (much more modern) was almost frozen too. I did not delete anything from the trusted list and normally, I am the one advising people how to use software.

So again, it doesn’t always flawlessly work under all conditions.

You posted the link in your reply so you are responsible for posting it.

Might be time to try it again then, the CFW under CS settings that is but some softs just don`t agree with some systems and that`s just the way it is.

Where did I state that it works flawlessly under all conditions.

Regards Eck

 

[Trident]

You posted the link in your reply so you are responsible for posting it.

Well the post that I was talking about is on this topic. I can only post that link because I found this quicker. There have been other instances as well where users have been advised to clear this list but I can’t search around all the topics and posts now.

 

[Behold Eck]

It wasn`t Cruelsistor`s advice is all that I`m saying and I think I can remember that particular setting being discussed here at MT but that was some time ago.

Well I think I may have been a bit OTT with my trolling remark so I`ll edit it if possible ?

Regards Eck

 

[Trident]

It wasn`t Cruelsistor`s advice is all that I`m saying and I think I can remember that particular setting being discussed here at MT but that was some time ago.

Well I think I may have been a bit OTT with my trolling remark so I`ll edit it if possible ?

Regards Eck

You don't need to edit, just don't do it in the future

 

[Helmut]

So again, it doesn’t always flawlessly work under all conditions.

You're right.
But nobody knows what a user "does" with their computer. When I think back to my early days, all the things I tried, all the stupid software that seemed great to me. I changed things on my PC that made the IT engineer, computer scientist and computer builder and supervisor (even for large companies, including a large airport) just shake their heads. Then I stuck to the default setting "Proactiv Security", for example, on the advice of my "supervisor" I stuck to the settings from CruelSister and oh wonder: all the PCs worked perfectly. I banned all useless, "great" programs, and didn't try any more like registry cleanear, PC repairer as software, freeware only when he allowed me to. I don't remember exactly whether it was Windows XP, Windows 95, Windows 3.0 or something else from Windows 95, Windows Millenium, Windows 98 etc. up to now Windows 11. I went through almost all versions of Windows. Due to the security of sensitive data, I no longer installed any software on my work computer, just to try it out. There should have been a virus or malware on my PCs/laptops long ago. I now have a new PC with Windows 11, everything runs smoothly, nothing hangs, nothing blocks, nothing has taken root. A scan, no matter what software I use, always reports: No malware/no pest/no virus etc. found.

So, what is the main reason why Comodo is causing problems?

"Proactive Security" is already a very good setting. Add to that CruelSister's suggestions, and you don't need anything more to be protected. The many setting options in the settings - Cruelsiter's suggestions are sufficient.
Of course, there are real experts who can uncover bugs and the Comodo team is not exactly ungrateful for that.
But some people also want to put Comodo in a bad light.
Now, why does Comodo work and has worked without problems on all my computers and laptops with excellent protection. Who can explain this to me? Can someone explain this to me?
I tried to explain it to others.

 

[Trident]

Everyone has long-term positive experience and everyone can share stories how they remained malware-free.

So, what is the main reason why Comodo is causing problems?

I don’t know, it is a closed source software, I am unable to inspect the source.

The user is telling you that the software did not work for them — that’s it. Period.
When did you first start using computers, how you configured, who you impressed, all that is not relevant. The user said they experienced issues with the system, which sound more serious than a marketing pop-up, UI glitch or this sort of problem.

There is no need to try “override” the comment of the user with your life stories and personal experiences, or ask additional comments and explanations.

There should have been a virus or malware on my PCs/laptops long ago.

Not necessarily, it’s all down to your habits. Some people can be safe even without AV for years, others install various programs and activate various doohickeys and still end up infected, often silently.

Needless to say that attackers will do their best to hide attack artefacts and even aggressive scanners will not always detect them. They are so “kind” that upon infecting you with infostealer/rat, they will even try to identify other stealers and RATs, and remove them.

Sometimes it all comes down to luck as well. You know all these people on Titanic, they were all rich, with habits and whatnot. They didn’t have luck and… you know the story.

 

[oldschool]

Needless to say that attackers will do their best to hide attack artefacts and even aggressive scanners will not always detect them. They are so “kind” that upon infecting you with infostealer/rat, they will even try to identify other stealers and RATs, and remove them.

 

[Decopi]

Hi @Helmut

With all due respect, you are reversing cause and effect: It's not about people "putting Comodo in a bad light"... it's about irresponsible fanatics pushing Comodo to everybody, without recognizing that:
1. Comodo is an abandonware (at least since 2017);
2. The "new" CIS 2025 is a fraud, it has nothing new, the software has been the same for at least 7 years (no real updates nor real upgrades);
3. The list of old and dangerous bugs is endless (at Comodo's website at least 100 bugs are officially recognized, and more than 300 bugs are unofficially recognized);
4. Comodo's antivirus was, is and will always be garbage. Therefore, Comodo does not detect viruses nor malware;
5. The only thing that (more or less) works in Comodo is the "Containment", therefore, Comodo is only a "blocker"... and the decision to block or not to block depends on the user.

Considering that today on the market there are excellent antivirus/malwares, totally free, much more evolved than Comodo, it is irresponsible to recommend Comodo to other users.

Also, there is no real reason to use Comodo as a blocker, because similar function can be achieved by hardening Windows.
Windows is not "blocked" due to good reasons: Average users can't use blocked devices. For the majority of the users, blocking is a terrible security strategy.
However, Windows has plenty of settings, it's incredible customizable, and it's possible to block almost everything at Windows.

Claiming that Comodo is free... poop is also free.

Claiming that "it works for me - works for everyone"... is the same as saying that if someone likes to eat poop, then everyone should eat poop. Yeah, Comodo worked for you, but you are one case in the world. There are hundreds of users who have denounced Comodo's failure over the past 20 years. Your claim is no more valid than the claim of other users who do not recommend Comodo. And as @Trident perfectly explained, you can find millions of users without antivirus, zero infections in decades... and that's not a reason for recommending everybody to avoid using antivirus. So, you need objectivity, you must understand that what works for you, works for you, period! Also, objectivity means to recognize that old software, not updated/upgraded, full of bugs... should not be used. In the best case, objectivity means that better and more evolved free software are offered out-there, so no rational reason for using Comodo.

The final proof is always given by the market, where even for free, for decades Comodo's market share is practically non-existent. And the explanation for this lies in the mediocrity of Comodo's products.

Not accepting the truth of the facts is denying reality, and that defines FANATICISM. And I repeat, it is not about "putting Comodo in a bad light", it is about fighting the intolerance and irresponsibility of fanaticism, which is not satisfied with using Comodo, it has a pathological compulsion to put Comodo up everyone's ass. The threads about Comodo have nothing to do with Comodo or security software... they only have to do with fanaticism and the intolerance and irresponsibility of fanaticism.

 

[Divine_Barakah]

Hi @Helmut

With all due respect, you are reversing cause and effect: It's not about people "putting Comodo in a bad light"... it's about irresponsible fanatics pushing Comodo to everybody, without recognizing that:
1. Comodo is an abandonware (at least since 2017);
2. The "new" CIS 2025 is a fraud, it has nothing new, the software has been the same for at least 7 years (no real updates nor real upgrades);
3. The list of old and dangerous bugs is endless (at Comodo's website at least 100 bugs are officially recognized, and more than 300 bugs are unofficially recognized);
4. Comodo's antivirus was, is and will always be garbage. Therefore, Comodo does not detect viruses nor malware;
5. The only thing that (more or less) works in Comodo is the "Containment", therefore, Comodo is only a "blocker"... and the decision to block or not to block depends on the user.

Considering that today on the market there are excellent antivirus/malwares, totally free, much more evolved than Comodo, it is irresponsible to recommend Comodo to other users.

Also, there is no real reason to use Comodo as a blocker, because similar function can be achieved by hardening Windows.
Windows is not "blocked" due to good reasons: Average users can't use blocked devices. For the majority of the users, blocking is a terrible security strategy.
However, Windows has plenty of settings, it's incredible customizable, and it's possible to block almost everything at Windows.

Claiming that Comodo is free... poop is also free.

Claiming that "it works for me - works for everyone"... is the same as saying that if someone likes to eat poop, then everyone should eat poop. Yeah, Comodo worked for you, but you are one case in the world. There are hundreds of users who have denounced Comodo's failure over the past 20 years. Your claim is no more valid than the claim of other users who do not recommend Comodo. And as @Trident perfectly explained, you can find millions of users without antivirus, zero infections in decades... and that's not a reason for recommending everybody to avoid using antivirus. So, you need objectivity, you must understand that what works for you, works for you, period! Also, objectivity means to recognize that old software, not updated/upgraded, full of bugs... should not be used. In the best case, objectivity means that better and more evolved free software are offered out-there, so no rational reason for using Comodo.

The final proof is always given by the market, where even for free, for decades Comodo's market share is practically non-existent. And the explanation for this lies in the mediocrity of Comodo's products.

Not accepting the truth of the facts is denying reality, and that defines FANATICISM. And I repeat, it is not about "putting Comodo in a bad light", it is about fighting the intolerance and irresponsibility of fanaticism, which is not satisfied with using Comodo, it has a pathological compulsion to put Comodo up everyone's ass. The threads about Comodo have nothing to do with Comodo or security software... they only have to do with fanaticism and the intolerance and irresponsibility of fanaticism.

Personally, I am against running Comodo. There are other security products that offer great protection for free such as AVG. AVG/Avast with hardened mode enabled and with ransomware shield offer great protection even for novice users without slowinng them down nor flooding them with notifications and prompts that require users' input.

I hate the fact that Comodo is being pushed here as a solution that almost all users seek help to choose what and what not to enable or change in settings. But I understand that users have the freedom to choose what works for them.

 

[Trident]

As soon as you have a technology that is not automated, but requires user input and poking around, on a home environment, you as a security vendor have failed to do your job. It means you are unable to take decision.

Comodo can be configured to automatically block/drop/discard, but still a few issues remain:

• Comodo doesn’t have the sheer user base that other vendors, specifically gen has. This could have been corrected through channels and pipes for automatic file submission and mining, but it hasn’t been.
• Valkyrie has proven not once or twice unreliable, with safe verdicts being slapped on malware. Cases are on this forum, mostly under “malware analysis”, if one wants they can search.
• Multiple design and implementation errors as often discussed by members, before someone jumps to ferociously defend Comodo and all these claims remain buried under 55 pages of statements, arguments, personal attacks. As well as demands to provide “evidence” for what is already very well known and widely discussed.
• Neither Comodo, nor Comodo pro-fanatics (@Behold Eck I am excluding you, you seem to be kind and understanding) want to listen or process anything that’s been said, it’s just one song that is being sang again and again, the vinyl is now scratched, it needs changing.

My question is, if Comodo cared about the product and reputation, they would have improved by now. For example, the bugs could have been fixed, third-party engine like Avira could have been commissioned, the whole experience could have been redesigned. It is obvious that Comodo doesn’t care and now the focus is on Xcitium, targeting small businesses.

Why Comodo pro-fanatics care so much when even Comodo doesn’t?

 

[ErzCrz]

Although it runs okay on my machine when I use it and having had the misconception that a lot of the bugs were ironed out during the beta, they've listed 40 current bugs about 30 suggested improvements that users have listed. It's good at being a firewall and containing/blocking unknowns so that's all I use it for when I'm using it.

Anyway, if you mess around with the settings and restrict things too much unnecessarily it'll cause issue. CS has advised this in the past and part of the reason why HIPS is disabled in her setup.

 

[Trident]

CS has advised this in the past and part of the reason why HIPS is disabled in her setup

Cruelsister is right, HIPS is an outdated system that in 2024 has no place on users’ machines. HIPS was relevant and hyped around 2006 when all vendors had it, I remember Kaspersky, Panda, Bitdefender. Gradually, behavioural blocking emerged as the successor to HIPS, so the system will analyse the process, the events, the context and instead of prompting the user, will act automatically.

Kaspersky IDS is a “smarter” HIPS that takes into account the reputation of every object to take a decision automatically.

 

[Jonny Quest]

LOL...I'm so glad I use F-Secure, so peaceful , no drama or malware. Back to watching YouTube videos and cleaning the house

 

[Trident]

LOL...I'm so glad I use F-Secure, so peaceful , no drama or malware. Back to watching YouTube videos and cleaning the house

Install Comodo today and enjoy a ride to Drama Town.

 

[Decopi]

Cruelsister is right, HIPS is an outdated system that in 2024 has no place on users’ machines. HIPS was relevant and hyped around 2006 when all vendors had it, I remember Kaspersky, Panda, Bitdefender. Gradually, behavioural blocking emerged as the successor to HIPS, so the system will analyse the process, the events, the context and instead of prompting the user, will act automatically.

Kaspersky IDS is a “smarter” HIPS that takes into account the reputation of every object to take a decision automatically.

IMHO, your same logic applies to "Containment"... 15 years ago "Containment" had some functional benefit, because not all antivirus/antimalware had modules to detect zero-day attacks and similar. But unfortunately that's when Comodo was frozen in time (driven by a bad decision of the CEO & Comodo management team)... while the rest of the antivirus/malware continued to evolve. Today the technology that exists is much more efficient than “HIPS”, “Containment”, “deny-all” etc etc etc... each of these modules had an excellent function 20, 15, 10 or 5 years ago... but it is necessary to modernize and evolve! In a hyper-connected world, with a tendency to synchronize countless devices for each user... it is totally ridiculous to insist on security strategies based on “blocking”, “deny all” blah blah blah blah.

In the case of Comodo, it is not just about using old modules like “HIPS”, “Containment” etc... the biggest and most serious problem is that Comodo is an abandonware, full of old and dangerous bugs, not real updates/upgrades. Even for free, it is not justified to use any security software that is not properly maintained.

 

[nickstar1]

they have had years to improve it's antivirus detection still worse than panda and webroot.

 

[tofargone]

You seem to lack an understanding of how Comodo works, including its core features and dependencies. It would be best if you stuck to CS settings and refrained from experimenting with Comodo. While you can delete vendor lists, change rulesets, and make other advanced tweaks, it's crucial to have knowledge and understanding of the impact your changes will have.

So you are claiming that I am incompetent, and have broken the software, by deleting the vendor list, which looked like it came right out of the CCP.

I would suggest changing the vendor list does nothing to brake comodo, this is similar to me calling you an idiot for changing something in notepad.