Hard_Configurator - Windows Hardening Configurator

[Freki123]

It seems like im not completely alone in this.

https://www.tenforums.com/antivirus-firewalls-system-security/152000-new-defender-platform-4-18-2003-4-0-items-skipped-during-scan-alert-2.html?s=6c6a34fc0735157b5876ea963f4bb576

Like post 11 and 15 (It's about them having the same version as I,not about the problems the thread was about )
I hope it's not to offtopic but since WD is a mainpart of H_C I hope its ok?

 

[shmu26]

It seems like im not completely alone in this.

https://www.tenforums.com/antivirus-firewalls-system-security/152000-new-defender-platform-4-18-2003-4-0-items-skipped-during-scan-alert-2.html?s=6c6a34fc0735157b5876ea963f4bb576

Like post 11 and 15 (It's about them having the same version as I,not about the problems the thread was about )
I hope it's not to offtopic but since WD is a mainpart of H_C I hope its ok?

That's an interesting thread. It sounds like the exact WD version that is delivered is not the same for all users. It's a staggered rollout or something like that.

 

[oldschool]

That's an interesting thread. It sounds like the exact WD version that is delivered is not the same for all users. It's a staggered rollout or something like that.

That's my guess. M$ does this,e.g. with Edge Dev users.

 

[Andy Ful]

Are you on the insider channel or so by chance?
I tried to find info on MS Defender versions on the internet and from what I found 4.18.2001.x seems to be ok (doc is dated 03/04/2020).

Microsoft Defender Antivirus security intelligence and product updates - Microsoft Defender for Endpoint

Manage how Microsoft Defender Antivirus receives protection and product updates.

docs.microsoft.com

And I'm on c:\programdata\microsoft\windows defender\platform\4.18.2001.10-0\msmpeng.exe

I just wanted to know if got a real engine platform/client problem since WD is my main av with H_C

It is from my real system on Windows 10 Pro 64-bit ver. 1909:

 

[Andy Ful]

1909 here also, OS build 18363.720

I am not sure about your case, but updating the WD platform can generally depend on other Windows Updates.

 

[South Park]

I have:

c:\programdata\microsoft\windows defender\platform\4.18.2001.10-0\msmpeng.exe

on 1903, build 18362.657

Windows Updates paused, but I update WD signatures manually each day.

 

[Andy Ful]

I have:

c:\programdata\microsoft\windows defender\platform\4.18.2001.10-0\msmpeng.exe

on 1903, build 18362.657

Windows Updates paused, but I update WD signatures manually each day.

There are several kinds of WD updates. I have only a few WD platform updates from December 2020. Most of them are under the 'Definition Updates' tab in the History of Windows Updates (4.18.2001.7, 4.18.2003.4, 4.18.2003.5, 4.18.2003.6). But, the WD platform update 4.18.2001.10 is among 'Quality Updates' (February 2020) on my computer (Windows 10 ver. 1909 64-bit).

 

[SeriousHoax]

I'm on this older 4.18.2001.10 version as well.
On Microsoft's official site still this is the final version.

Microsoft Update Catalog

Microsoft will release another version soon fixing the bug mentioned in techforum link above. This happened last month too when I received an update which supposedly had a bug then Microsoft stopped the rollout and few days later released a new bug free update.

 

[Freki123]

Just got updated today to Platform\4.18.2003.6-0. So either staggered rollout or I was one of the slower moving guinea pigs for MS

 

[Andy Ful]

Just got updated today to Platform\4.18.2003.6-0. So either staggered rollout or I was one of the slower moving guinea pigs for MS

Maybe they accepted the fact that you do not want to update quickly.

 

[shmu26]

Just got updated today to Platform\4.18.2003.6-0. So either staggered rollout or I was one of the slower moving guinea pigs for MS

I am sure you already got this one right, but in advanced Update settings, at the bottom, there is a poorly labeled option called "Choose when updates are installed." It allows you to defer for a certain number of days or weeks or months. If you choose to defer, Windows updater will not even identify available updates, even if you click on "check for updates".

 

[Freki123]

@shmu26 Thanks for the info. I started using it after I found out that it just delays "feature" updates (which I couldn't care less about) while still getting the needed "security" updates.
@Andy Ful Thanks for all your time and help here

 

[shmu26]

@shmu26 Thanks for the info. I started using it after I found out that it just delays "feature" updates (which I couldn't care less about) while still getting the needed "security" updates.

I unwisely deferred also "quality" updates, which includes security updates, and it took me a while to figure out what was going wrong...

 

[South Park]

I just got updated to 4.18.2003.6-0 today after manually checking for updates through WD. I still have global updates "paused" because my ISP is overloaded as people here have to work from home due to business closures.

 

[ErzCrz]

Doing a fresh install of current version. Had temporarily uninstalled so IT could sort my laptop out to work from home as and when. Looking forward to next update but a great product.

 

[Tiny]

I am using WFC together with H_C, when something wants to connect, it alerts me, I think it's normal.

Thanks for reminding me about WFC. Since I only use H_C now, it is an ideal companion to it.

 

[Freki123]

@Andy Ful Is there a way to exclude only one exe/service from "credential stealing lsass.exe" protection?
I don't want to exclude it from all protection via "Manage ASR Exclusions". Tried whitelisting by hash as a test, didn't work.

e.g: User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Path: C:\Windows\System32\lsass.exe
Process Name: C:\Program Files\Macrium\Common\MacriumService.exe

I can run Max settings and the log is really quite with only one exeption: Macrium
So I don't want to disable the whole lsass.exe protection because one file is annoying. Is it possible?
I know I could just turn it to "high" settings or disable "lsass.exe" protection but I prefer to know if there is a choice to make it work since I'm curious

 

[Andy Ful]

@Andy Ful Is there a way to exclude only one exe/service from "credential stealing lsass.exe" protection?
I don't want to exclude it from all protection via "Manage ASR Exclusions". Tried whitelisting by hash as a test, didn't work.

e.g: User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Path: C:\Windows\System32\lsass.exe
Process Name: C:\Program Files\Macrium\Common\MacriumService.exe

I can run Max settings and the log is really quite with only one exeption: Macrium
So I don't want to disable the whole lsass.exe protection because one file is annoying. Is it possible?
I know I could just turn it to "high" settings or disable "lsass.exe" protection but I prefer to know if there is a choice to make it work since I'm curious

Hard_Configurator is integrated with two external configurators (two violet buttons in H_C): ConfigureDefender and FirewallHardening. Whitelisting is related only to SRP blocks.
If something is not blocked by SRP but by Windows Defender, then you have to use ConfigureDefnder Exclusions. If the outbound connection is blocked by FirewallHardening rule, then you have to use FirewallHardening tool to unblock it. Some outbound connections can be also blocked by direct rules in Windows Firewall or another application (not by FirewallHardening tool) - if so then you have to use them to unblock the connection.

MS claims that it is possible to add exclusions for LSASS ASR rule. You should add the path:
C:\Program Files\Macrium\Common\MacriumService.exe
to ASR Exclusions in ConfigureDefender.

 

[Freki123]

MS claims that it is possible to add exclusions for LSASS ASR rule. You should add the path:
C:\Program Files\Macrium\Common\MacriumService.exe
to ASR Exclusions in ConfigureDefender.

The block was labeled as: Windows Defender Exploit Guard has blocked an operation that is not allowed by your IT administrator.
When using the ASR Exclusion would it "disable/ignore" then all the other 15 options that Exploit Guard offers? Starting from "block executable contend from email" till "Block persistence trough WMI" (since its excluded then). Yes or no?
I would think yes and thats why I wanted to be sure.

 

[Andy Ful]

The block was labeled as: Windows Defender Exploit Guard has blocked an operation that is not allowed by your IT administrator.
When using the ASR Exclusion would it "disable/ignore" then all the other 15 options that Exploit Guard offers? Starting from "block executable contend from email" till "Block persistence trough WMI" (since its excluded then). Yes or no?
I would think yes and thats why I wanted to be sure.

Yes and No.
Adding the file path exclusion for one ASR rule = Adding it for all ASR rules that allow exclusions.
There are tree ASR rules that do not allow exclusions (two for WMI and one for scripts). In ConfigureDefender they have "****" in the beginning.