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IceMan7

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Bitdefender remains an excellent antivirus. This is undeniable.
However, when it comes to pure detection, I prefer Eset. Eset has made great strides in detecting unknown threats, especially in the cloud.
Yes, a single test may not prove anything, but all AVs are tested in the same way and at the same time ;)

Best regards :)
Thank you for your quick response

Exactly. One test. More comparisons of Eset vs BD would be useful, because they are probably the best AV today.
In this test, Eset won by a small margin. BD detected but blocked the operation. And that is the difference on one sample and one comparative test

Eset recently had an update and only then it works properly. It recently had an update of Fsecure and we know how it ended - no comment
When can we expect a newer version of Bitdefender? Does anyone know?

Is Bitdefender already a stable program like Eset and its programmers have already achieved? Does BD still have its "jumps" and can surprise with some bug?

Thanks for the opinions. If one can consider impressions, then I still think that Bitdefender's behavioral protection is at a higher level than Eset's, despite the Slovak's progress.
However, they have been working on it for years, developing it. Eset has only just achieved it and it will take some time before they work it out. So that it doesn't end up that Eset will improve and BD will go to a higher level :D

Bitdefender is also more user-friendly - just turn on AutoPilot and it works in the background and does its thing. Eset needs to be properly configured and is more annoying with its notifications.

Eset has definitely improved visibly. Eset is lighter than BD (although BD Photon does the job too) and has always been a more stable software.
But Eset's prices compared to BD are outrageous. What are they charging so much for? This is shocking.

I will have to think about it and observe tests and opinions (I hope more of your Eset vs BD comparison tests :p), because I still have Fsecure paid for until September 2025, so for now it stays (but I paid for it)

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Hello
I am new here on the forum.
I registered because I am looking for an alternative to Fsecure because of recent actions like Avira



Great job. Congratulations to Eset.
But one test doesn't prove anything ;) Bitdefender lost by a tiny margin.
Let me refresh the topic a bit
I have a question for you - what is better to install on your computer today - Bitdefender or Eset?

A few comments from me as additional information.



I absolutely agree with this. I observe various tests and I don't remember any major failures of Bitdefender protection. I've seen Eset more than once.

Moreover, Eset is just "getting started" with the cloud and decent ransomware protection (LiveGuard). Bitdefender has had it for a long time - I don't remember how long but I think at least 2 years and it works.

Besides, for years the most frequently mentioned is the holy trinity - Kaspersky, Eset and Bitdefender. I've never had Kaspersky because of its origin (Russia) but I respected it and always considered it the best. The rest tried to be ;)

I had Eset in the past for a few years. Light and fast. Usually the software is well-developed, without popping up errors, bugs, etc. But it was annoying, it was picky about everything and it always happened to let something through when it did a second opinion scan from time to time. Of course, most often nothing serious, but still.If I remember correctly, it even managed to let in a Trojan twice. And I remember that this heuristic had its quirks, because it could block a file, then release it and then block it again - as if the signatures didn't want to decide whether it was dangerous or not. But I never felt super safe, but I lived with it until I ran out of patience.

I changed to Bitdefender. It was a fortress. I wasn't afraid of anything. But it was constantly bugging - sometimes it wouldn't start with the system, every now and then after updating the signatures it would tell me to restart the system, etc. I even had to reinstall it once because it went crazy. But despite that, it seemed like nothing would get into the computer. And you could feel that it took up more space on the disk (a bigger colossus) and was heavier than Eset.
No scan second opinion has ever found anything. Never

In the end, I chose Fsecure, which was in short somewhere in the middle - stability like Eset, security like Bitdefender. Of course, in simplified terms. And now - unfortunately... Fsecure is dying.
Here the same as in the case of BD. No scan second opinion has ever found anything.

So - what is worth choosing now? Eset won the test. Finally, much improved and caught up with and even slightly overtook Bitdefender. The question is until when, because soon there will probably be a new version of BD and it will leave again.

In my opinion - Eset means stability, Bitdefender not necessarily because there is always something wrong with it or it irritates. Eset means very good software but Bitdefender is still a security fortress. Am I thinking correctly?

Is Eset worth it or maybe Bitdefender is also finally a stable AV and having the feeling that the Romanian has always provided almost perfect security, Bitdefender will be a better choice?
What objectively assessed, in my opinion Bitdefender is still currently no. 1 in terms of security. Only, if there are still problems with its stability, why not choose Eset, which has currently improved a lot and is at least at a similar level in terms of security to BD?
I am leaving aside here that Eset is a lighter software but BD is also not as heavy as it used to be.

Regards

Have you tried using these settings (that may still apply) for Eset, besides the default settings?

As far as your stability comparison, I agree, Eset is more stable and that Bitdefender has gotten better, as there are less "run a Repair" posts on the forum these days. But, it still can be a little glitchy.

What are your surfing and downloading habits that you're getting things that are missed by Eset? And also to consider BD as a fortress, is maybe putting to much confidence in a AV and maybe letting your guard down a bit?
 
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IceMan7

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Have you tried using these settings (that may still apply) for Eset, besides the default settings?
I've looked through them. But this is a post from 2021 and new features have arrived today. Apart from that, I have no problems, because I used Eset for a few years, when there was only Nod32 ;)

As far as your stability comparison, I agree, Eset is more stable and that Bitdefender has gotten better, as there are less "run a Repair" posts on the forum these days. But, it still can be a little glitchy.
Exactly. You can't see it almost at all on the web in general or on the Bitdefender forum. That's why I wanted to ask if it's just an impression or if BD has actually improved a lot in this regard?

What are your surfing and downloading habits that you're getting things that are missed by Eset? And also to consider BD as a fortress, is maybe putting to much confidence in a AV and maybe letting your guard down a bit?

I consider myself a conscious user. I use AV only for safety, in case I accidentally click something, even unconsciously or by accident. Better safe than sorry.

Today, my wife uses the second laptop in addition to me. The kids have their own computers. And the parents (now retired) also have their own computers. And I want to have the same one on all of them.
My parents are older, so there is a high risk that they will mess something up. The kids are already reaching an age where I will not have to use parental control, so there is also a high risk that they will mess something up.

I would like a fortress. I would like user friendly, so that I would not have calls every now and then that something popped up on the computer - for example, a notification. I praised Fsecure for that. It sat quietly, did most of it in the background and my family did not even notice that it had AV. And all you had to do was go into events and you knew right away that it was doing the job, because something was blocked here, captured there, etc.

I remember Eset quite well when I had it. But I was annoyed by its annoyingness, sensitivity to everything and the fact that it could give up. Or when it caught something, it was hard to remove. But it didn't make mistakes, you didn't have to do any reinstallation.
But its configuration was irritating - a lot of settings. Searching for something in the settings, etc.
Bitdefender gave a greater sense of security but it had its own problems with stability.

Now I'm looking for a universal and very effective solution. A fortress that will provide security, won't mess with the system and will do its job in the background and talk as little as possible ;)

At the moment, I've had a 30-day trial version of Eset Smart Security Premium on my computer for 3 days. That is, the cheapest version with LiveGuard.
It seems okay, although sometimes it screams that it can't connect to the server to download database updates.
After the installation, when I saw how much clicking there was in the settings, my head hurt :D

And after 30 days, I'll try BD Internet Security or Total trial version.

But I'm a user and I don't test solutions. Hence my questions and the above posts ;)

Regards
 

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Thank you for your quick response

Exactly. One test. More comparisons of Eset vs BD would be useful, because they are probably the best AV today.
In this test, Eset won by a small margin. BD detected but blocked the operation. And that is the difference on one sample and one comparative test

Eset recently had an update and only then it works properly. It recently had an update of Fsecure and we know how it ended - no comment
When can we expect a newer version of Bitdefender? Does anyone know?

Is Bitdefender already a stable program like Eset and its programmers have already achieved? Does BD still have its "jumps" and can surprise with some bug?

Thanks for the opinions. If one can consider impressions, then I still think that Bitdefender's behavioral protection is at a higher level than Eset's, despite the Slovak's progress.
However, they have been working on it for years, developing it. Eset has only just achieved it and it will take some time before they work it out. So that it doesn't end up that Eset will improve and BD will go to a higher level :D

Bitdefender is also more user-friendly - just turn on AutoPilot and it works in the background and does its thing. Eset needs to be properly configured and is more annoying with its notifications.

Eset has definitely improved visibly. Eset is lighter than BD (although BD Photon does the job too) and has always been a more stable software.
But Eset's prices compared to BD are outrageous. What are they charging so much for? This is shocking.

I will have to think about it and observe tests and opinions (I hope more of your Eset vs BD comparison tests :p), because I still have Fsecure paid for until September 2025, so for now it stays (but I paid for it)

Regards
all this text reads a lot like AI... :unsure:
 
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Thank you for your quick response

Exactly. One test. More comparisons of Eset vs BD would be useful, because they are probably the best AV today.
In this test, Eset won by a small margin. BD detected but blocked the operation. And that is the difference on one sample and one comparative test

Eset recently had an update and only then it works properly. It recently had an update of Fsecure and we know how it ended - no comment
When can we expect a newer version of Bitdefender? Does anyone know?

Is Bitdefender already a stable program like Eset and its programmers have already achieved? Does BD still have its "jumps" and can surprise with some bug?

Thanks for the opinions. If one can consider impressions, then I still think that Bitdefender's behavioral protection is at a higher level than Eset's, despite the Slovak's progress.
However, they have been working on it for years, developing it. Eset has only just achieved it and it will take some time before they work it out. So that it doesn't end up that Eset will improve and BD will go to a higher level :D

Bitdefender is also more user-friendly - just turn on AutoPilot and it works in the background and does its thing. Eset needs to be properly configured and is more annoying with its notifications.

Eset has definitely improved visibly. Eset is lighter than BD (although BD Photon does the job too) and has always been a more stable software.
But Eset's prices compared to BD are outrageous. What are they charging so much for? This is shocking.

I will have to think about it and observe tests and opinions (I hope more of your Eset vs BD comparison tests :p), because I still have Fsecure paid for until September 2025, so for now it stays (but I paid for it)

Regards
Eset recently had an update and only then it works properly. It recently had an update of Fsecure and we know how it ended - no comment
When can we expect a newer version of Bitdefender? Does anyone know?
As far as a UI change, none that I know of. Just build updates for now
Is Bitdefender already a stable program like Eset and its programmers have already achieved? Does BD still have its "jumps" and can surprise with some bug?
Read the BD forum today, and from yesterday and make your own conclusions. Granted, only issues get posted on a "help" forum, but BD can get in a day or two, what Eset may get in a week or two on their forum.

Bitdefender is also more user-friendly - just turn on AutoPilot and it works in the background and does its thing. Eset needs to be properly configured and is more annoying with its notifications.
I agree in a sense with this, but BD used to be really bad with its pop up notifications, but they have since silenced most of those except for the mandatory suspicious connection pop ups.

Eset has definitely improved visibly. Eset is lighter than BD (although BD Photon does the job too) and has always been a more stable software.
But Eset's prices compared to BD are outrageous. What are they charging so much for? This is shocking.
Amen to that, unless you find a good deal here on the forum that I just saw about 15 minutes ago. But in general, BD usually wins out with their deals, especially the promotional deals.

I will have to think about it and observe tests and opinions (I hope more of your Eset vs BD comparison tests :p), because I still have Fsecure paid for until September 2025, so for now it stays (but I paid for it)
If F-Secure hadn't been making so many changes over the last year, and with v25.2, I would still be using it. It was (and maybe still is?) a AV I would put on my mom, dad or sisters PC, as that is truly set it and forget it and stable AV. BD not so much due to some of the intermittent issues (maybe I spend to much time on their forum). Eset, maybe not so much either due to settings that could confuse someone who tries to change something and not know why.
 

IceMan7

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As far as a UI change, none that I know of. Just build updates for now
I rather expect some security fixes, updates to them or something new again. Or another evolution of what they already have.

Read the BD forum today, and from yesterday and make your own conclusions. Granted, only issues get posted on a "help" forum, but BD can get in a day or two, what Eset may get in a week or two on their forum.

I'm surprised. It used to be that on the Bitdefender forum it was like a stone in water. You couldn't wait for an answer. Eset always answers quickly. Now it's the other way around?

I agree in a sense with this, but BD used to be really bad with its pop up notifications, but they have since silenced most of those except for the mandatory suspicious connection pop ups.
I don't know the older versions. I first had contact with BD in 2018 or 2019. There was already an autopilot then, where BD did most of the things in the background. And it didn't pop up with notifications every now and then.
It's possible that it used to be like you wrote.
When I had BD then, you're right - it only informed the most important things. Or a number appeared about the number of actions on their widget on the desktop, if you turned it on.

Amen to that, unless you find a good deal here on the forum that I just saw about 15 minutes ago. But in general, BD usually wins out with their deals, especially the promotional deals.
Too bad I didn't know. Where can I follow these promotions?



I was happy with Fsecure and I have had it permanently since 2018. I extended the license year after year. It was the best AV I had. But now after the changes, I don't want Avira....
Besides, once on the Polish AVlab website I read a comment under an article from the admin of this portal, that Fsecure was rather supposed to extinguish solutions for consumers and focus only on commercial solutions for enterprises. Maybe they haven't given up completely today, but such a change to Avira indicates something.

Too bad. But what can we do? All that's left is to choose something else and luckily we have BD or Eset. Or other solutions.

Regards
 

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Besides, for years the most frequently mentioned is the holy trinity - Kaspersky, Eset and Bitdefender. I've never had Kaspersky because of its origin (Russia) but I respected it and always considered it the best. The rest tried to be ;)
If you want protection, stability, and usability, try Kaspersky. Kaspersky System Watcher is intelligent (available in the free version) and outperforms others for protection and usability. Kaspersky is a well-rounded and powerful layered protection; each module is top-notch. Bitdefender is effective but can have occasional stability and false positive issues. ESET's got strong signatures and heuristics dancing together, and every anti-something imaginable, all shouting for attention. It lacks a "true" behavior blocker or proactive protection.

In the past, when I used to test antivirus programs on a real system for personal review, Kaspersky, Bitdefender, and Comodo Firewall performed well in the tests. This led me to use Kaspersky on my family members' system and recommend it to average users. Even today, Kaspersky continues to perform exceptionally well in any tests I have come across.
 

IceMan7

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Thanks. There is no perfect AV and there won't be. I'm not interested in Kaspersky for obvious reasons. As I wrote, I respect the Russian and I think he was the best. Currently, after the last Fsecure action, the first thought is Bitdefender. It was always a fortress and basically the only one that could fight on equal terms with Kaspersky. The podium was usually closed by Eset. In other words, the holy trinity.

So, after F-Secure, I first took or am taking Bitdefender. But recent tests here, on the web and improvements in effectiveness have caused me to consider Eset. Of course, the price is not encouraging, but the effectiveness (especially now) and overall stability of this AV give food for thought.

There is one more thing. Two computers are functional, they work without a problem but they cannot be updated to Windows 11. I do not plan to invest in new equipment for the next 2 years, so I am also looking at support. Eset will probably not support Win10 for a long time, but when I look at Bitdefender, which still supports Windows 7, BD may be a good address. Even temporarily for the next 2 years. I have until September to decide when the F-Secure license ends. I am a bit sad that this cool Finnish AV ended so badly….

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IceMan7

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For goodness sake, just let Shadowra do his tests and create the video.
Hi. I'm not an expert. I assume they are of similar quality when it comes to security because everything indicates that when browsing the internet and observing tests. If my assumptions are wrong, then as a newbie here I'd be happy to listen. Maybe you suggest something else?

PS

I hope the posts will merge if you write one post after another
 

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Based on my experience of putting it into my relative's PC, who has zero idea about security and just barely can browse the web, Avast might be your best choice. Protection-wise, Avast is very good and ads can be disabled even in the free version, can be set in a way so to take every decision automatically in the background and disable every single notification.
I used to put Bitdefender Free on their PC, but BD Free had an issue when it stopped them from logging into a work-related unencrypted HTTP website. BD stopped from putting password in the http site which confused them and even after I allowed it in the BD UI it still won't login in Chrome. I got so mad at this unwanted buggy security feature that I immediately uninstalled BD and installed Avast Free.
It's been almost 2 years, I think, and they told me that Avast never notified them once. It blocked malicious connections, adware on the PC and adware scripts on the browser in that time and all was done in the background automatically. I check them by opening the Avast GUI when I go to their place.

So it seems this is what you need. I'm not using Avast on my own PC at the moment, but it made my job of managing non-tech-savvy users PC very easy.
 

IceMan7

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And also to consider BD as a fortress, is maybe putting to much confidence in a AV and maybe letting your guard down a bit?
Here I will explain a bit what I understand by BD as a fortress.
Because BD hasn't had any major setbacks for years and has been a leader for years. For comparison, I'm leaving out Kasperksy because I don't remember when it got banned.
In most tests that you can see online, BD is either first or loses slightly to the best in a given test. But as a rule, even if it gives up on something or does worse than expected, it still usually did better than the rest.
So they use it, you feel like you're using a fortress and you won't install anything better on your computer.
However, BD stability was always a disaster. Something was always not working. Sometimes it blocked something. This is the only AV I had where I had to uninstall and reinstall it.o_O

But @Shadowra test gave me something to think about. Eset finally made up for its "losses" and finally everything works as it should.
Based on my experience of putting it into my relative's PC, who has zero idea about security and just barely can browse the web, Avast might be your best choice.

No thanks. I used to have it. It's just problems. Avast doesn't trust me. Besides, it always made a mess in the system. And now it's part of the Norton family. No thanks, I don't want it ;)
I agree in a sense with this, but BD used to be really bad with its pop up notifications, but they have since silenced most of those except for the mandatory suspicious connection pop ups.
I've been using Bitdefender for over a year and I don't remember many notifications.
When I used to have Eset and configured it on Fortress, it kept getting something wrong. Constantly some notifications. It was annoying. And very sensitive to everything. Sometimes you had the impression that it was attacking you with some false positives. You constantly had to add something to the exceptions.
There was a way out. Change the settings, disable some, such as potentially dangerous applications, etc. But then why do you need AV, if you have to disable certain functions to have greater comfort of use at the expense of security.
Not to mention that after installing Eset it has a lot of settings and you can click away until you die.

Fsecure or Bitdefender look different. You install it, quickly configure it because there are very few settings compared to Eset and that's it. And then they only pop up when they catch something, detect something, etc. And that's how Eset should work.

But.....
I've had Eset Smart Security Premium for 5 days. After installing, I configured it, checked most of the options, etc. And for now it sits quietly. Only when it catches something, it speaks up. For now, I feel a huge progress. Unfortunately, for some it is a disadvantage and for others an advantage - configuring all the options takes a very long time, because there are a lot of settings. And the readability of these settings is also not clear, because logically you look for some in a different place than they are.
After 5 days. Eset is lighter on the computer than Fsecure. And you can feel it. Bitdefender was heavier than Fsecure. Eset scans the entire computer the fastest of all (Bitdefender was the slowest).
On Eset, my internet runs faster, even with HTTPS scanning enabled. Its scanner is very fast. In this respect, the slowest internet went for me under Fsecure and the Fsecure plugin for Firefox with a lot of tabs enabled could crack.
Another advantage, similarly to BD, scans zipped/rar files downloaded via www, which Fsecure did not do.

For now, what annoys me about Eset.
1. Search results only mark in Google search engine. For example, it is not in DuckDuckGo. BD and Fsecure had it in each.
2. Secure browser. Frame is annoying when watching YouTube in full screen
3. Disabling the frame while browsing the Internet in the browser disables the frame. But there is no option to enable it again. You have to open a new browser window (or I did not find such an option)
Anyway. After 5 days, a very big plus. Stable. It works lightly, you do not feel its presence on the computer. Set to "max" and it sits quietly and does not irritate.
Another advantage of Eset in my case. I am from Poland. Eset in Poland in the city of Krakow has its research and development center. In Poland, it has a very good reputation, because it is one, if not the only AV that recognizes various threats that can be found in Poland the fastest.

For now, it is very good. After 30 days of the trial version, I will install Bitdefender for comparison and see which one will suit me better in terms of use. Which one is and will be better in terms of detecting all threats, I will probably watch a few more tests on the Internet ;)
There is still the matter of what prices Eset and Bitdefender will want and which and until when each of them will support Windows 10.

And I expect more Eset vs Bitdefender comparison tests. I would like to know if the above test is just Eset's luck or if BD actually has a worthy or better rival :unsure:
@Shadowra - we are waiting for more tests :)

Regards
 
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@TuxTalk I thought you were using Trend Micro? :unsure:
No more because :

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I am from Poland. Eset in Poland in the city of Krakow has its research and development center. In Poland, it has a very good reputation, because it is one, if not the only AV that recognizes various threats that can be found in Poland the fastest.
What about BD? It's located in Romania and should be comparable in this regard. Also, they have the coolest logo out there, hands down. ;)
 
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What about BD? It's located in Slovakia and should be comparable in this regard. Also, they have the coolest logo out there, hands down. ;)
Bitdefender is a cyber security company founded in 2001, in Bucharest, Romania. Its main products revolve around cyber security services for individuals and companies, including endpoint protection, multi-cloud security, anti-virus software, virtual private networks (VPN), and Internet of Things (IoT) security.
 

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